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Hi Sorry to join up and ask a question straight away. Before you say anything i have spent a couple of hours reading through the various threads on here but couldn't find a definitive answer.

 

My setup should be quite straight forward here is the background on getting a Microserver up and running: 

 

I'm a partner in a small business with 5 users we have a office but everyone is mainly a remote worker. We all run various versions of windows our only remote storage is a NAS which we have to FTP into.

 

We have a very small budget and tend to do things ourselves rather than having to spend out on third party companies for technical support. Hence my research on forums like these.

 

I'm pretty confident that Windows Server 2012 r2 has the features we require its just the hardware I need some help on. 

 

Would be grateful if you could suggest a setup of OS HDD, Primary HDD 2GB and Backup HDD and RAM (guess this will be 2x8GB)

 

Price is a factor I'm not too keen on going with HP's accessories as its more expensive than others unless there are major benefits,

 

 

Cheers 

 

Rob

 

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A pretty common setup is to use an SSD for the OS drive, 2 to 4 TB NAS drives for data (WD Red, Seagate NAS, Hitachi, etc.), and 8 to 16 GB of RAM. You can find lists of compatible RAM in these forums.

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Sorry for the newbie questions!

 

Little confused by the mention of the NAS drives- would these be separate units to the server or do you mean the 4 Hdd slots in the unit.

 

To be cheeky didn't know if someone could advise me of their setup that they know works.  

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Sorry for the newbie questions!

 

Little confused by the mention of the NAS drives- would these be separate units to the server or do you mean the 4 Hdd slots in the unit.

 

To be cheeky didn't know if someone could advise me of their setup that they know works.  

If you are planning on populating the 4 internal bays with hard drives and running them off the B120i (Raid Controller) If you are using this box at home somewhere that you could hear it this is the best configuration. Raid levels of 0 , 1 & 10 are supported.

 

Note that with drives given they don't spin down when used in Raid you should consider a drive that will save a bit of power but is not a "Green" drive. So this leaves.

 

Seagate 2,3 & 4 TB NAS - 5900 RPM spindle speed.

WD RED 2,3 & 4 TB Variable spindle speed. 

 

You have 3 routes for how you configure

 

4x drives (Raid 10) in the bays + single SSD connected to the internal sata and using a power cable mentioned within the forums.

2x Drives Raid 0 or 1 and 2 SSD's for the OS in the internal bays.

 

4x drives connected to an optional P222 Raid/HBA card in raid 0,1,5& 10 and the SGDM bracket available within the forums. with 1 - 4 2.5" drives running raid 0 , 1 , 10. 

 

If you are just starting out i'd suggest 2 x 4tb drives raid 1 , 1 budget ssd on a 9.5mm laptop caddy and you will have a nice redundant box. Go for 16gb ram if you can afford and set the max setting for the RAM Cache for the raid controller. Be aware that the G1610t isn't the most powerful cpu. But there is a good selection available ranging from the very cheap i3 3220t 2c/4t 2.8 ghz - Right up to the Xeon E3 1265L V2 4c/8t up to 3.5 ghz That all work for us with minimal effort.

 

From other user feedback storage spaces isn't the most liked thing to use and also this will make your Gen8 noisy as you will not be using the B120i in a Raid mode.

 

 

 

 

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Need to get my thinking cap on. Didn't think it would be this complicated unless I'm over thinking things (a habit of mine).

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Hi RobTurner & welcome to the Forums.

 

Check out the threads in ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 Links for a lot of ideas on different setups as well as links to what RAM people have successfully used in the Gen8 and what type of HDD’s they are using.

 

For a Business application (based on your initial specs of 2TB storage) you may start by looking at:

 

RAM: 16GB ECC 2 x KTH-PL316E/8G

 

OS HDD: 2 x WD2500HHTZ in RAID1 installed in Slots 1 & 2 of the 4 drive cage

 

DATA HDD: 2 x 2TB NAS Rated Drives (such as Seagate ST2000VN000 or the Western Digital WD20EFRX – both NAS 24/7 Rated Drives) in RAID1 installed in Slots 3 & 4 of the 4 drive cage

 

 

Backup HDD(s): USB3.0 External Drive(s) (such as Seagate STBV2000100 or the Western Digital WDBFJK0020HBK-NESN).

 

 

Stix01 in msg#4 above covers many of the alternatives/options you should consider.

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Cheers Guys,

 

I think I will be looking more towards Joe's recommendations as they seem to be a bit simpler. :-)

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Just done a quick look up of the prices according to Joe's recommendations, does this seem reasonable £1064.36 inc Vat?

 

HP Proliant G1610T Gen8 Server http://www.ballicom.co.uk/712317421-hp-proliant-microserver-gen8-entry--server--ultra-micro-tower--1way--1-x-c-g1610t--23-ghz--ram-2-gb--no-hdd--matrox-g200--gigabit-lan--no-os--monitor--none.p941204.html?ref=PLA&gclid=CLXx2PSixb0CFYMSwwodHHUAkw  £296.00

WD2500HHTZ OS HDD http://www.dabs.com/products/wd-250gb-velociraptor-sata-6gb-s-64mb-10k-3-5--hard-drive-81ZJ.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc%20product%20search&utm_content=Q200&utm_campaign=Components%20and%20Storage%20-%20Hard%20Drives%20-%20Internal%20Hard%20Drives&origin=pla 2  x£56.00= £112.00

WD20EFRX Data HDD http://www.dabs.com/products/wd-2tb-red-sata-6gb-s-64mb-3-5--hard-drive-8601.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc%20product%20search&utm_content=Q200&utm_campaign=Components%20and%20Storage%20-%20Hard%20Drives%20-%20Internal%20Hard%20Drives&origin=pla 2 x £65.00 =£130.00

KTH-PL316E/8G Ram http://www.ballicom.co.uk/kfjpm316e8g-kingston--memory--8-gb--dimm-240pin--ddr3--1600-mhz--pc312800--unbuffered--ecc--for-fujitsu-celsius-m720-w520.p837813.html?ref=PLA&gclid=CMuysZuhxb0CFRDItAodFX8AjA 2 X £59.70 = £119.40

WS2012 r2 OS software http://www.ballicom.co.uk/g3s00716-microsoft-windows-server-2012-r2-essentials--licence-and-media--1-server-12-cpu-up-to-25-users--oem--64bit--english.p998348.html?ref=PLA&gclid=CNnKruehxb0CFYMSwwodHHUAkw £229.57

Total £886.97+ Vat

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Just done a quick look up of the prices according to Joe's recommendations, does this seem reasonable £1064.36 inc Vat?

 

HP Proliant G1610T Gen8 Server http://www.ballicom.co.uk/712317421-hp-proliant-microserver-gen8-entry--server--ultra-micro-tower--1way--1-x-c-g1610t--23-ghz--ram-2-gb--no-hdd--matrox-g200--gigabit-lan--no-os--monitor--none.p941204.html?ref=PLA&gclid=CLXx2PSixb0CFYMSwwodHHUAkw  £296.00

WD2500HHTZ OS HDD http://www.dabs.com/products/wd-250gb-velociraptor-sata-6gb-s-64mb-10k-3-5--hard-drive-81ZJ.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc%20product%20search&utm_content=Q200&utm_campaign=Components%20and%20Storage%20-%20Hard%20Drives%20-%20Internal%20Hard%20Drives&origin=pla 2  x£56.00= £112.00

WD20EFRX Data HDD http://www.dabs.com/products/wd-2tb-red-sata-6gb-s-64mb-3-5--hard-drive-8601.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc%20product%20search&utm_content=Q200&utm_campaign=Components%20and%20Storage%20-%20Hard%20Drives%20-%20Internal%20Hard%20Drives&origin=pla 2 x £65.00 =£130.00

KTH-PL316E/8G Ram http://www.ballicom.co.uk/kfjpm316e8g-kingston--memory--8-gb--dimm-240pin--ddr3--1600-mhz--pc312800--unbuffered--ecc--for-fujitsu-celsius-m720-w520.p837813.html?ref=PLA&gclid=CMuysZuhxb0CFRDItAodFX8AjA 2 X £59.70 = £119.40

WS2012 r2 OS software http://www.ballicom.co.uk/g3s00716-microsoft-windows-server-2012-r2-essentials--licence-and-media--1-server-12-cpu-up-to-25-users--oem--64bit--english.p998348.html?ref=PLA&gclid=CNnKruehxb0CFYMSwwodHHUAkw £229.57

Total £886.97+ Vat

Servers direct for the server... this will be cheaper.

 

for the drives check out what servers direct has that is similar then you will save on the freight. For the server OS please consider SSD's as this will really make the box much more responsive.

 

On the ram front there is 16gb of smart memory under warranty on Ebay uk at the moment for 40 quid a piece. 

 

I don't know about WS2012.

 

Have a look around for a pair of Intel 520's on ebay - a pair of 180gb's can be had for 150 this will make the machine beautiful to work with. They come with a 5 year warranty so there will be 2/3 years left on a used item.

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If you are on a budget, I would not worry too much about having a fast boot drive like an SSD.  It is nice --but it isn't essential.

 

However, as this is a business, I'd *absolutely* run two hard drives in a RAID-1 mirror to have redundancy.  This is in addition to having a backup; if one drive fails, you aren't stuck in the middle of the day with a downed server until you can replace a drive and restore from backup.  You can partition your RAID-1 drive into a C: drive for the operating system (with Server 2012R2, I'd do a 160-200GB C: partition, just to account for patching over time and a basic app or two) and a D: partition for your data folders (using the remaining space.  Western Digital's RED series NAS drives should work just fine for this and aren't too costly.  Just take whatever size drive you need (1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB) and buy two of them.

 

How much RAM you go with (I'd be looking at either 8GB (2 x 4GB) or 16GB (2 x 8GB0 depends entirely on what you are all using the server for at the same time.  It's easier to go 16GB now so you don't have to spend twice on an upgrade if you need it later --however, you may not need that.  Evaluate your needs for the moment, but also for two years from now fo determine that.  Kingston and Crucial both make compatible RAM, the price isn't that different between the two.

 

I'd use a USB 3.0 external enclosure for a backup drive large enough to bare-metal backup your server every night.  Server 2012R2's backup can do this easily.  I'd also recommend installing the Server Essentials role which simplifies administration of the server.  I'm using MacAlly's USB 3.0 enclosure, and just upgraded it from a 3TB to a 4TB drive today; it does the job well.  If data is of a critical nature, you may also wish to subscribe to a cloud backup service like Cloudberry to back up just your files, so you have an offsite backup in addition to an onsite one.  If your facility were to go up in flames or be swamped by a flood, your critical data is protected.

 

Finally, ask yourself if Server 2012 R2 Essentials will do what you need; it isn't as expensive as Server 2012 R2 Standard.

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