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15 minutes ago, paradox said:

 

Yeah I have an IBM ServRaid card, the bracket HDDs are in port2 on that, port1 goes to an external 4x bay with 6TB drives, and I have a 2gb SSD in the DVD slot.

 

If I can stack two 2.5 drives side by side, can't I stick a single 3.5 drive on there anyway? I could get a single 6/8tb drive and use that.. but then I might have more space since I'm using raidz1 on the M9's but no parity. A better option would be to scrap the bracket completely and route the second sas cable to another external bay? is there any way to get more drives from the DVD drive sata cable? I've got a 2GB SSD in there, I could at least up that to a 5TB drive to give me some breathing room? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-Factor/dp/B01LXO31IZ/ my pools are all at 85% or so and I can't really afford another external bay with 4x £200 drives in it.

 

Edit: Found a Barracuda 5TB 2.5" on ebay for £100 brand new, gonna grab that and stick it in the top for now. by the time I can afford another big external bay maybe 10TB drives will be down to £200, I noticed 8TB ones are now (After I bought 8x 6TB ones, although it was years ago now)

3.5" drives will not fit on the side as they are too thick.

If capacity is the main issue, yes removing the bracket and running another external four drives would be a good idea.

You can only run one drive on the DVD SATA port. It looks like you have a HDD attached now.

I do not think a 15mm 2.5' drive will fit in the ODD bay. it is too thick. Also keep in mind the 5TB 2.5" drives performance is not great.

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1 hour ago, schoondoggy said:

3.5" drives will not fit on the side as they are too thick.

If capacity is the main issue, yes removing the bracket and running another external four drives would be a good idea.

You can only run one drive on the DVD SATA port. It looks like you have a HDD attached now.

I do not think a 15mm 2.5' drive will fit in the ODD bay. it is too thick. Also keep in mind the 5TB 2.5" drives performance is not great.

 

Thanks. Any thoughts on using an external USB drive instead for some extra storage right now?

 

Edit: Expanding on the USB option.. could I not plug in an external caddy bay like this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-4-Bay-Aluminium-External-Enclosure/dp/B075ZXQL4J/

 

If it's just for media storage and if plex can stream 1080p movies from it then it's perfect

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33 minutes ago, paradox said:

 

Thanks. Any thoughts on using an external USB drive instead for some extra storage right now?

 

Edit: Expanding on the USB option.. could I not plug in an external caddy bay like this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-4-Bay-Aluminium-External-Enclosure/dp/B075ZXQL4J/

 

If it's just for media storage and if plex can stream 1080p movies from it then it's perfect

It sounds like you are running FreeNAS? You would need to look at USB disk storage compatibility with FreeNAS.

As to the four drive USB unit from the link above: 

'Plug-and-Play and Hot-Swap compatibility with no additional drivers required on Windows 7 / 8 / 8.1 / 10, Mac OS X 10.6 or above; NOT for Linux.'

 

 

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Yeah it can use the SD or even USB as storage, I'm asking more from a performance point of view (if you know). 

 

'Plug-and-Play and Hot-Swap compatibility with no additional drivers required on Windows 7 / 8 / 8.1 / 10, Mac OS X 10.6 or above; NOT for Linux.' - also damn. that's probably going to be the same for any usb cage isn't it?

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2 hours ago, paradox said:

Yeah it can use the SD or even USB as storage, I'm asking more from a performance point of view (if you know). 

 

'Plug-and-Play and Hot-Swap compatibility with no additional drivers required on Windows 7 / 8 / 8.1 / 10, Mac OS X 10.6 or above; NOT for Linux.' - also damn. that's probably going to be the same for any usb cage isn't it?

This info is a few years old, it may have been resolved, but it could still be an issue. Depends on how the usb interface carries the drive data from the SATA port multiplier in the enclosure. I should note, I am not sure that all of these enclosures use this archetecture. You may find one that works with FreeNAS.

As to performance, USB3 should be fast enough for the drives, but the design may be limited by the SATA controller/port multiplier.

https://www.ixsystems.com/community/threads/freenas-only-sees-a-single-disk-from-4-disk-usb-enclosure.59567/

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8 hours ago, schoondoggy said:

This info is a few years old, it may have been resolved, but it could still be an issue. Depends on how the usb interface carries the drive data from the SATA port multiplier in the enclosure. I should note, I am not sure that all of these enclosures use this archetecture. You may find one that works with FreeNAS.

As to performance, USB3 should be fast enough for the drives, but the design may be limited by the SATA controller/port multiplier.

https://www.ixsystems.com/community/threads/freenas-only-sees-a-single-disk-from-4-disk-usb-enclosure.59567/

 

Is the internal USB header 3.0? I just assumed it was 2.0 anyway, if it's 3.0 that's awesome.

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1 hour ago, paradox said:

 

Is the internal USB header 3.0? I just assumed it was 2.0 anyway, if it's 3.0 that's awesome.

I believe the internal USB port is 2.0.

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On 8/28/2020 at 2:50 PM, schoondoggy said:

I believe the internal USB port is 2.0.

 

Hey Schoon;

 

How about: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-RAID-Expander-Card-RES2SV240/dp/B0042NLUVE

 

And then: https://www.amazon.com/SFF-8087-Internal-Serial-Attached-36-Pin/dp/B00KQEKTQA/ (or a cable with 1 >to> 4x SATA?)

 

Like so:

51SJhIBcAJL._AC_.jpg

 

To an external bay, would that not be a better option? 

 

I found this image:

5a1c0955774a3_2017-08-2413_30_07.jpg.450

 

It looks like it can be mounted anywhere and just needs molex power, doesn't even need to be in the PCI slot.

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2 hours ago, paradox said:

 

Hey Schoon;

 

How about: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-RAID-Expander-Card-RES2SV240/dp/B0042NLUVE

 

And then: https://www.amazon.com/SFF-8087-Internal-Serial-Attached-36-Pin/dp/B00KQEKTQA/ (or a cable with 1 >to> 4x SATA?)

 

Like so:

51SJhIBcAJL._AC_.jpg

 

To an external bay, would that not be a better option? 

 

I found this image:

5a1c0955774a3_2017-08-2413_30_07.jpg.450

 

It looks like it can be mounted anywhere and just needs molex power, doesn't even need to be in the PCI slot.

You can use a SAS expander to increase the number of ports you have. You need to find a SAS expander that is compatible with your SAS HBA. You can use a separate case to house the drives and the expander. You need to make a slight modification to the power supply in the external enclosure to get it to turn on with no motherboard. 

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I already use an external PSU to power my existing external cage and some extra fans so that's no problem.

 

I am planning to do this:

 

M1015 Card to Intel Breakout Card Cable - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Internal-Mini-SAS-Cable-Mini-8087-100-cm/dp/B076VXDVM4/

 

Intel Expander Card - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353181718360

 

From Intel Card to Drive Bays - https://www.amazon.co.uk/VanDeSaiL-Mini-SAS-Internal-SAS-Breakout/dp/B01HZFUNVS/

 

Case holding the Intel card and up to 8x drives - https://www.amazon.co.uk/SilverStone-SST-DS380-Mini-ITX-Computer-Hot-Swap/dp/B00HVKMI9S/

 

Sanity check - this will work right? What I would do is remove my external 28TB pool and internal 8TB pool to a single cable connected to the Intel card which is inside the case, that leaves me with a free slot on the internal M1015 card to add another external Intel card/case in the future, and I can upgrade the drives as I go - can you think of a better way of doing this or?

Thanks again.

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