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I just built another home server for a family member. copy/paste the newegg #'s

G1610 - N82E16819116889

AS Rock H77 - N82E16813157303

8GB G.Skill ARES - N82E16820231542

500gb HDD - N82E16822136769

Corsair 430W  - N82E16817139026

 

The above was about $300 with tax & s/h.

 

The icy dock is OK if you're strapped for space, but otherwise its an unnecessary expenditure and point of failure. I'm still convinced the SSD for a WHS box is stupid and a waste. If you do the intel is an even bigger joke. This would be an appropriate SSD for WHS2011 - AData 32GB SSD - N82E16820211717

 

Unless your doing a LOT of encoding. Like a couple of movies a week, then you don't need an overkill CPU. That E-350 is long in the tooth and pretty much only good for a file serving and client backup. I built one about 6 months ago. The G1610 above is more than enough. Sure it'll take a little longer to rip a movie, if that really bothers you then the i3-3220 is what you want.

 

The rest of the build is up to you and your pocketbook

 

What I really like about what No-Control posted is this is a duplicate of something he has already built!  So you know this will work.  All you need is thermal paste -- toss it together, load WHS-2011, add your data drives and you're off.

 

Six SATA ports should be plenty to start and If you want more you could pick up a SATA card like the Rocket 640L -- or any number of other SATA/RAID cards that are talked about on the Forums.

 

The only real value of the SATA III ports is if you add a SSD(s) to your build  -- the SSD is the only thing that's going to saturate a SATA II port so to get the most out of your SSD you would want to attach it to an Intel SATA III port.

 

The Green drives you have would be ok to use IMHO -- my older greens test out on ATTO at ~120MB peak reads & writes while the newer ones are up there speed wise with the Red's of ~140-5.  With StableBit DrivePool you could always trade drives out or add newer bigger drives.  

 

So with the AS Rock you can have your OS drive plus 5 Data drives or your OS drive plus a BD plus 4 data drives before you would need to add a card -- and if you decide you needed more speed you could make that card a HW RAID card.

 

The G1610 is a pretty powerful ivy bridge CPU running about half the benchmark performance of my i7-930 in my desktop -- so that's not bad at all. 

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Hi Joe,

 

I can't say thanks enough for your reply.  Something I did not think about that favors the i3 or i5 is video support.  With the G1610 I would be running headless, like my WHSv1 does now, but I have to admit there were times it would have been nice to have a direct video connection.  I think this is especially true when things go wrong.

 

Thanks for clearing up the SATA stuff - I was stuck on a number and not reality.

 

I am going to figure this out his weekend - cheer and thanks for everyone's help.

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  • Some more points
  • The G1610 has an integrated GPU.
  • RDP is your friend for headless systems.
  • Both of those Z77 boards are overkill. Unless there is a special combo of slots and features you're looking for the H77 or B75 series boards are a better value.
  • On board sata is fine as long as you stick with single drives or mirrors. They'll work with the craptastic drive pooling software as well.
  • Any RAID actions like a RAID5 would require a add on card. So consider that bit of info and how you want to configure the drives before you pull the trigger.

Answering your questions:

  1. Yes its just serving files to the clients.
  2. No there is nothing on WHS that would REQUIRE/NEED an i5
  3. No there is no way you can saturate the SATA II/III bus with the type of drives and configuration you're talking  about using. It would require SSDs or a large RAID array of fast drives for you to any performance loss. Stick with green drives Reds offer you no benefits.
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  • Some more points
  • The G1610 has an integrated GPU.
  • RDP is your friend for headless systems.
  • Both of those Z77 boards are overkill. Unless there is a special combo of slots and features you're looking for the H77 or B75 series boards are a better value.
  • On board sata is fine as long as you stick with single drives or mirrors. They'll work with the craptastic drive pooling software as well.
  • Any RAID actions like a RAID5 would require a add on card. So consider that bit of info and how you want to configure the drives before you pull the trigger.

Answering your questions:

  1. Yes its just serving files to the clients.
  2. No there is nothing on WHS that would REQUIRE/NEED an i5
  3. No there is no way you can saturate the SATA II/III bus with the type of drives and configuration you're talking  about using. It would require SSDs or a large RAID array of fast drives for you to any performance loss. Stick with green drives Reds offer you no benefits.

Ah..... I just, incorrectly, assumed no GPU on the 1610.  That probably seals the deal for that.

 

To further prove that I am not to bright.... that case I already own will not support a full ATX case on mATX so it is back to the drawing board there.  I will take your advice and likely target an H77 board.

 

Thank you very much for keep my sorry arse from building a "craptastic" server :-)

 

Cheers

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Ok - I am following no-controls lead.  I am choosing between 2 ASRock mATX boards.  One he used previously and one slight step up.

 

ASRock H77M @ 69:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157303

 

ASRock H77 Pro-4 @ 89:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157301

 

The Pro-3 has two more SATA II ports and an 6.0 Gb/s E-SATA port.  These are the two things that crossed my mind. 

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If its worth the extra $20 for you to have those features then yeah

 

Thanks no-control.  It will also save me about $35 because the board has 4 dimms slots an the other has two.  I have 4gb (2x2gb) of compatible Gskill Ripjaw ram, so I will simply add two more.

 

At some point in the future I can drop an ivy bridge i5 (perhaps even i7) in and upgrade if transcoding or some other processing becomes paramount.

 

UPDATE:  4/20/2013

 

Case:  Lain Li PC-V354B (own)  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112300

Power Supply:  Seasonic X-Series 400w Fanless PSU (own):  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151097

Motherboard:  ASRock H77 Pro4-M:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157301

CPU:  Intel Celeron G1610  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116889

Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws (own 4 gb)  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231275

Software:  WHS 2011  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416443

 

My last conundrum is hard drives for both the System and Data Drives.

 

SYSTEM DRIVE

Option 1 - 

System Drive:  Intel 120GB drive 320 Series:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167050 - I know and believe this is unnecessary as well, but I has been sitting unused for about a year....

 

Option 2 - 

Icy Dock Raid - Keep in Mind I already own this as well but have to purchase the 2.5 drives.

System Drive:  WD Scorpio Black 250GB 7200 RPM drive (I think many of you have used these)  - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136279

 

DATA DRIVES

I have two 2TB Green drives as stated above.  I may just add them for storage or use them as a backup drives in the server.  I really like the WD reds or the new 4TB seagate.  I am probably only going to get one shot at mucking with this for quite a while and want to get enough storage up front.  Have any of you used the 4TB Segates?

 

Option 1 - I am thinking 3X of either of these (I have always been a WD guy fwiw...)

Western Digital RED:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236344

Segate 4TB:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178338

 

Again, a big thanks to all who have helped.  If anyone else has any opinion while I am on the 1 inch line please let me know.  I am probably looking to have it built up within a week or so - two at the latest.

 

Cheer all.

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As I think almost everyone knows, I would recommend Red drives over Green.

 

Based on what? You prefer the color red?

 

 

Thanks no-control.  It will also save me about $35 because the board has 4 dimms slots an the other has two.  I have 4gb (2x2gb) of compatible Gskill Ripjaw ram, so I will simply add two more.

 

At some point in the future I can drop an ivy bridge i5 (perhaps even i7) in and upgrade if transcoding or some other processing becomes paramount.

 

UPDATE:  4/20/2013

 

Case:  Lain Li PC-V354B (own)  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112300

Power Supply:  Seasonic X-Series 400w Fanless PSU (own):  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151097

Motherboard:  ASRock H77 Pro4-M:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157301

CPU:  Intel Celeron G1610  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116889

Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws (own 4 gb)  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231275

Software:  WHS 2011  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416443

 

My last conundrum is hard drives for both the System and Data Drives.

 

SYSTEM DRIVE

Option 1 - 

System Drive:  Intel 120GB drive 320 Series:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167050 - I know and believe this is unnecessary as well, but I has been sitting unused for about a year....

 

Option 2 - 

Icy Dock Raid - Keep in Mind I already own this as well but have to purchase the 2.5 drives.

System Drive:  WD Scorpio Black 250GB 7200 RPM drive (I think many of you have used these)  - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136279

 

DATA DRIVES

I have two 2TB Green drives as stated above.  I may just add them for storage or use them as a backup drives in the server.  I really like the WD reds or the new 4TB seagate.  I am probably only going to get one shot at mucking with this for quite a while and want to get enough storage up front.  Have any of you used the 4TB Segates?

 

Option 1 - I am thinking 3X of either of these (I have always been a WD guy fwiw...)

Western Digital RED:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236344

Segate 4TB:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178338

 

Again, a big thanks to all who have helped.  If anyone else has any opinion while I am on the 1 inch line please let me know.  I am probably looking to have it built up within a week or so - two at the latest.

 

Cheer all.

 

For the system drive, if you already have it, use the SSD. Use the icydock to wedge open a door or something useful. For the data drives given those 2 choices I would get the 4TB drives. If this was my server I would use the Green 3TB WD drives. Nothing about the red drives offers a $40 benefit over the green in a server.

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