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Hi guys,

 

I am really thinking about buying the HP Microserver N40L. And with that upgrading to maybe 6 or 8 gigs of ram in total.

The thing is though, I do not have to care too much about noise and size on my server.

 

So is there any possibilities that you can get a better server for the same amount of money. Do not count in money for the storage.

What I would like to do with my server is:

 

Go with ESXI from the bottom.

From there virtualize Windows 2012 Server and FreeNAS I think.

Be able to stream 1080p from it (only the data with my own LAN, nothing with graphics).
Remote desktop everything.

Be able to run some bittorrent and also set up some other virtual machines just for fun.

 

Is the performance of N40L enough for my needs? With 6-8GB RAM.

 

Every input is great input.

Thanks in advance!

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I think the N40L will work for the things you have described above and it is a great platform for the money.

Do you have any other parts/pieces lying around you can recycle from? 

A N40L will cost you $249-269 plus memory $30-60, $279-329 in total. If you have a case and ps that you could use, and don't care about swappable drive bays, you could invest all of that in mb and memory. 

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Thanks both of you for your posts!

 

I think an N40L should handle that load OK. Joe_Miner has probably done the most load-intensive testing on MicroServers, so look for his posts.

Okey I will look into that. That was kind of what I was afraid of, I am really scared of the CPU not being able to handle multiple server without affecting the performace of my VM's. Maybe I should go for the N54L or just build my own server? I want it to last for some years at least.

 

I think the N40L will work for the things you have described above and it is a great platform for the money.

Do you have any other parts/pieces lying around you can recycle from? 

A N40L will cost you $249-269 plus memory $30-60, $279-329 in total. If you have a case and ps that you could use, and don't care about swappable drive bays, you could invest all of that in mb and memory. 

The only things I have lying around is harddrives that I can use. The thing is though that if I build my own server maybe it is harder with compatibility?

Hardest for me is to pick the CPU, mb and memories if I buy them standalone. 

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Hi guys,

 

I am really thinking about buying the HP Microserver N40L. And with that upgrading to maybe 6 or 8 gigs of ram in total.

The thing is though, I do not have to care too much about noise and size on my server.

 

So is there any possibilities that you can get a better server for the same amount of money. Do not count in money for the storage.

What I would like to do with my server is:

 

Go with ESXI from the bottom.

From there virtualize Windows 2012 Server and FreeNAS I think.

Be able to stream 1080p from it (only the data with my own LAN, nothing with graphics).

Remote desktop everything.

Be able to run some bittorrent and also set up some other virtual machines just for fun.

 

Is the performance of N40L enough for my needs? With 6-8GB RAM.

 

Every input is great input.

Thanks in advance!

 

 

Maybe – your description reads to me like you’re going to be more RAM limited than CPU limited though if the price of the N40L isn't singnificantly better than the N54L I'd be looking at the N54L for future-proofing => see: http://homeservershow.com/hp-proliant-microserver-cpu-performance-index-comparisons.html .  With 8GB you can have the Host plus 2 or 3 VM’s depending on what they are and how you’re using them – If you’re going to load S2012 anyway -- you may save some by just loading S2012 and turning on Hyper-V and skipping ESXi.  But, I understand the “fun” of loading ESXi too.  Just note that VM’s are very Hungry for RAM.

 

If you’re going to do real work (things that you don’t want to risk losing) like Home File Storage/sharing then I wouldn’t go over 8GB ECC RAM in the MicroServer – If you plan to build more of a test box to play with ESXi, Hyper-V, VM’s, etc. then you may want to look at 16GB of RAM but note that many of us, including myself – but not Chris :), have issues with the 16GB builds with the N40L.  See: http://homeservershow.com/hp-microserver-discussed-on-the-home-server-show.html it may be worth your while checking out the show notes and listening to the discussion or watching the video.

 

Schoondoggy has a good point about building your own that could be cost effective – especially if you can recycle parts or pick up some pieces cheaply or even dumpster diving – For example NoControl has written up about a recent low cost build of his http://www.racecarmike.com/e-350-powered-windows-home-server/ and http://www.racecarmike.com/review-asrock-e350m1usb3/ -- there’s lot’s more discussions about home builds at http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/forum/1-the-builders-forums/ while Dave and Mike talk about home builds all the time  http://homeservershow.com/category/podcast and http://homeservershow.com/category/byob

 

The first time you build something can be as scary as heck but one way to address that is to post your proposed build in the builders Forum and see what kind of responses you get over a weeks time – then revise your plan and post the new plan – etc. till you have a good feel for not only what you need but what you want and how you’ll do it.  There are a ton of videos that have “how-to’s” in building your own system too – PCDoc has made a whole series of them so I’d start there.  http://thedocsworld.net/  -- check the Videos Tab => and look for BYOB Build Part’s 1-7 starting at

 

 

 

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If you want to stay OEM, but get a bit more performance than a MicroServer, I would search Craigslist and Ebay local to you, no shipping, for a HP ML110 G6 or ML150 G6;

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/ds_00178/ds_00178.pdf

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/ds_00148/ds_00148.pdf

 

I picked up a ML110 G6 last year for under $350. ML150 G6 can go for under $500, no memory or drives.

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Thanks for all posts!

 

Was talking to a colleague today and he mentioned "ESXI whitebox" which I think could be a lot of fun. But then again, only if the it is better performance with this than N40L with 8 gigs of RAM. And for the same amout of money.

What do you think about this?

 

 


 

Maybe – your description reads to me like you’re going to be more RAM limited than CPU limited though if the price of the N40L isn't singnificantly better than the N54L I'd be looking at the N54L for future-proofing => see: http://homeservershow.com/hp-proliant-microserver-cpu-performance-index-comparisons.html .  With 8GB you can have the Host plus 2 or 3 VM’s depending on what they are and how you’re using them – If you’re going to load S2012 anyway -- you may save some by just loading S2012 and turning on Hyper-V and skipping ESXi.  But, I understand the “fun” of loading ESXi too.  Just note that VM’s are very Hungry for RAM.


If you’re going to do real work (things that you don’t want to risk losing) like Home File Storage/sharing then I wouldn’t go over 8GB ECC RAM in the MicroServer – If you plan to build more of a test box to play with ESXi, Hyper-V, VM’s, etc. then you may want to look at 16GB of RAM but note that many of us, including myself – but not Chris :), have issues with the 16GB builds with the N40L.  See: http://homeservershow.com/hp-microserver-discussed-on-the-home-server-show.html it may be worth your while checking out the show notes and listening to the discussion or watching the video.


Schoondoggy has a good point about building your own that could be cost effective – especially if you can recycle parts or pick up some pieces cheaply or even dumpster diving – For example NoControl has written up about a recent low cost build of his http://www.racecarmike.com/e-350-powered-windows-home-server/ and http://www.racecarmike.com/review-asrock-e350m1usb3/ -- there’s lot’s more discussions about home builds at http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/forum/1-the-builders-forums/ while Dave and Mike talk about home builds all the time  http://homeservershow.com/category/podcast and http://homeservershow.com/category/byob


The first time you build something can be as scary as heck but one way to address that is to post your proposed build in the builders Forum and see what kind of responses you get over a weeks time – then revise your plan and post the new plan – etc. till you have a good feel for not only what you need but what you want and how you’ll do it.  There are a ton of videos that have “how-to’s” in building your own system too – PCDoc has made a whole series of them so I’d start there.  http://thedocsworld.net/  -- check the Videos Tab => and look for BYOB Build Part’s 1-7 starting at



 

Thank you! I will take time and listen to the podcast about HP Microserver. I do not think I will go for ECC RAM, I do not think I need it for my purposes.

I really can not decied if I should build my own server or buy one. But if you are sure with what you say about 8 GB's of RAM not being enough then maybe I should build on my own.

 

 

If you want to stay OEM, but get a bit more performance than a MicroServer, I would search Craigslist and Ebay local to you, no shipping, for a HP ML110 G6 or ML150 G6;

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/ds_00178/ds_00178.pdf

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/ds_00148/ds_00148.pdf

 

I picked up a ML110 G6 last year for under $350. ML150 G6 can go for under $500, no memory or drives.

Maybe OEM could work. But if I find some parts that could will work with ESXI (100% sure) then I could build it myself. Else I think I will buy OEM. And close at hand (I hope you can say so) is the N40L with 8 GB ram.

 

 

Check the deals on Newegg everyday.

Thanks, I will see what deals they have.

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