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Hiya,

 

This weeks feature was an interview with Anthony Smith of Division-M who are curently beta testing a Windows Drive Extender software. This will be a multi Windows platform release. We here at HSS are focusing on the WHS2011 version.

 

Homeserver • February 24, 2011 • Comments (1)

 

Another busy week and another long one for you. There are new Add-Ins to talk about as well as some updated ones. Jim parts company with his Drobo so listen in on how you can win it. I also go one on one with DriveBender’s developer, Anthony Smith.

 

Some of the things we covered,

 

http://www.remotenotification.com/documentation/tutorials/add-a-twitter-recipient/

http://www.home-server-addins.com/archives/476

http://www.home-server-addins.com/archives/436

http://usingwindowshomeserver.com/2011/02/20/advanced-admin-console-add-in-for-windows-home-server-version-0-5-4-released/#comment-47202

http://usingwindowshomeserver.com/2011/02/23/awieco-driveinfo-add-in-announcement/

http://usingwindowshomeserver.com/2011/02/17/whs-v1-and-whs-2011-storage-comparison-a-supplement-to-home-server-show-124/

http://www.wegotserved.com/2011/02/21/windows-home-server-2011-support-time-machine-backups-addin/

http://blog.cloudberrylab.com/2011/01/whats-new-in-cloudberry-s3-backup-20.html

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows-server-20082/I-m-Betting-on-Windows-Home-Server-2011.aspx

http://usingwindowshomeserver.com/2011/02/23/datacore-technology-and-whs2011sbs2011/2/

 

Thanks for listening

 

John.

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Thanks! John, Jim & Dave. I really enjoyed the show and it's information.

 

I especialy liked Ya'll (TX :D ), taking it back to the K.I.S.S. format.

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Excellent show...completed yesterday.

 

Need to say thanks to all of you...been listening since Dave was by himself. You have been a valuable asset to the community and I look forward to learning from each of you every week.

 

After the DE controversy I had planned on building a new WHS V1 to replace my old system...between the HomeServer Show Podcast and the BYOB podcast I am now planning a 2011 build.

 

Thanks,

Tim

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Since Dave was eating crow in the beginning of the podcast I thought I would help him out by offering up this sweet pastry...

 

pop-tarts1.jpg

 

It's easy to slip up and say the wrong thing. What is not easy is admitting to it later on and publicly apologizing for it.

 

Lot's of good information on new add-ins that are coming out. As always, I enjoy participating in the chat during the live u-stream broadcast.

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Thought the show was great, have already said I will do my best for meet up and I will try to act as translator.

 

Texan - English - American B)

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Since Dave was eating crow in the beginning of the podcast I thought I would help him out by offering up this sweet pastry...

 

pop-tarts1.jpg

 

It's easy to slip up and say the wrong thing. What is not easy is admitting to it later on and publicly apologizing for it.

 

Lot's of good information on new add-ins that are coming out. As always, I enjoy participating in the chat during the live u-stream broadcast.

I was surprised they did not have Pop Tarts down under, must have more sense than we thought.

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Good show.

 

The Drive Bender Developer seemed to have some issues answering many of the questions which may lead to less confidence in his product.

 

As a developer myself I think it was pretty easiy to read between the lines (my take on what I heard) in the areas he seemed to have trouble with. Basically Drive Bender lets the OS take care of actual IO operations, it will work at the file level and basically be a traffic cop for IO, so to him the hard part is over, which is creating the Drive and folder structure and the hard work left would be the math calculations for detrminng where files get stored when added, removed or moved. The big question I would wonder is where they intend on storing this information (it kinda sounded like each drive may have a copy of this) but is was not clear, for example if the info is on the OS drive, then what happens when your OS fails short of re-adding each drive back to the pool, this may be trivial if each drive has a copy of the information and the manager just reads it.

 

This approach would point to why he is comfortable with the safety of the data because they are only traffic copping it and not doing anything below the file level, and this approach is probably a good one for home users with low traffic (media streaming etc) but would probably not be a good approach for high traffic scenarios as it would most likely require a "landing pad" so it can move the files around after making calculations to thier final resting place.

 

Of course I could be completely wrong, but this is what I got out of it and the questions I was left wtih.

 

It will be interesting to see what this and the other DE replacement possibilities will look like in 3 to 6 months.

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The Drive Bender Developer seemed to have some issues answering many of the questions which may lead to less confidence in his product.

I'm not too sure I had trouble answering, but at the same time we do have some info that we would like to keep to ourselves (and I was also doing my best not to sound like a complete goose ;-)

As a developer myself I think it was pretty easiy to read between the lines (my take on what I heard) in the areas he seemed to have trouble with. Basically Drive Bender lets the OS take care of actual IO operations, it will work at the file level and basically be a traffic cop for IO, so to him the hard part is over, which is creating the Drive and folder structure and the hard work left would be the math calculations for detrminng where files get stored when added, removed or moved. The big question I would wonder is where they intend on storing this information (it kinda sounded like each drive may have a copy of this) but is was not clear, for example if the info is on the OS drive, then what happens when your OS fails short of re-adding each drive back to the pool, this may be trivial if each drive has a copy of the information and the manager just reads it.

 

This approach would point to why he is comfortable with the safety of the data because they are only traffic copping it and not doing anything below the file level, and this approach is probably a good one for home users with low traffic (media streaming etc) but would probably not be a good approach for high traffic scenarios as it would most likely require a "landing pad" so it can move the files around after making calculations to thier final resting place.

There is a little more to it than being a "traffic cop"... but for the most part the majority of our work is done at the file level. Getting lower than this doesn't make sense if we want to support a large selection of drives (i.e. usb drive for example). I'm not too sure I understand your reference to a "landing pad", writing the data to the target drive is just as efficient given that the "target" drive is determined when the file is created.

The whole point of our design was to keep it simple (kiss as someone previously mentioned). By that I mean getting "fancy" with users data was the very thing we didn't want to do.

It will be interesting to see what this and the other DE replacement possibilities will look like in 3 to 6 months.

It certainly will!

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You HSS guys did a nice job addressing some of the 'stuff' from #124. The Drive Bender interview was interesting. My take on it was that the deveolper has the vision for where this needs to end up, and he's in no rush to push out a less-than-solid product. I look forward to seeing how this turns out.

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