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My First Review of HPE ProLiant Gen10 MicroServer BETA

June 5, 2017

 

 

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HPE ProLiant Gen10 MicroServer BETA Unit on April 7, 2017 (you can see a "gray" filter behind the front mesh - a nice addition)

 

For the last two months I have had the opportunity to BETA test the HPE ProLiant Gen10 MicroServer BETA and in that time I came to one conclusion, I love it!  Now, starting at 4PM Central time on June 5, 2017 I can talk about it!

This machine checks many of the boxes on my wish list since my early days with the N40L, N54L, and later the Gen8 MicroServers!

  • It can support 32GB of ECC RAM
  • The PSU has been upgraded to 200W
  • Gone is the single VGA port, now I have TWO DP 1.2 ports PLUS a VGA port and I have watched streamed video on one monitor while working on tasks on two other monitors – The RADEON graphics seems great on all monitors
  • I have enabled Hyper-V and have several virtual machines running while doing other tasks
  • It has 2 PCIe slots!
  • It has 2 NICs!
  • Loading Windows 10 Pro on this machine was painless (It came with Clear OS but I wanted to load Windows 10 Pro - with plans on trying Clear OS later)
  • AND!! It has SIX (6) SATA III Ports – 4 in the main drive cage (via the SAS connector on the System Board) and two SATA Ports (Ports 5 & 6) on the System Board.  NOTE: SATA Port6 was not well documented but in one of the pictures in the Components thread I point out where I found it.

Things I missed but I don’t see as show stoppers:

  • The door is now a removable panel – The first time I took it off I thought I had broken the machine.  Not much of an issue once I got used to it, just note that removing the door/panel is a challenge if you have the Gen10 stacked with a Gen8.
  • The Gen10 doesn’t have iLO.  When I got my Gen8 I fell in love with iLO and how it opened many doors via ease of use when I would use other HPE servers (like the ML10v2 or the ML30G9) but if loosing iLO is the price I have to pay for 32GB RAM, 6 SATA III ports, and 3 video ports in a MicroServer then that’s OK in my estimate.

 

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The PassMark performance of the Gen10 MicroServer is outstanding, in my opinion. It shows analytically that this is the most powerful MicroServer yet – something I could feel by just using the MicroServer.

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So, bottom line, I believe the HPE ProLiant Gen10 MicroServer builds on past MicroServers and addresses many items that were on users wish lists.  This should be a fine machine for many home enthusiast applications.

The MicroServer arrived in the following configuration:

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 BETA Configuration on arrival April 2017

  • 8GB RAM
  • 1TB HD
  • Clear OS installed on 1TB HD

 

But it wasn’t long before I was adding SATA Cables for PORTS 5 & 6

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And removing the 1TB LFF HDD with Clear OS…..

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Powered off, pulling 2.4W

 

Until I had this Configuration:

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 BETA

  • 8GB RAM
  • 1TB HD
  • Clear OS installed on 1TB HD
  • Main Monitor attached with HDMI cable via : Passive “4K DisplayPort 1.2 to HDMI Adapter by Benfei DP Display Port to HDMI UHD 2K 3D Audio and Video Converter Male to Female Gold-Plated Cord” 
  • Misc. Cables: 2 SATAIII, Dell MX714 Floppy FDD to SATA Power Converter Cable

 

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Then I installed Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD in ODD Space attached to SATA III Port5 of System Board.

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Note: USB Flash Drive with Windows 10 iso on it inserted in USB port

 

For this Configuration:

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 BETA

  • 8GB RAM
  • 1TB HD
  • Clear OS installed on 1TB HD
  • Windows 10 Pro x64
  • OS Drive: SATA Port 5 – Samsung 840 Pro 256GB located in ODD bay
  • Main Monitor attached with HDMI cable via : Passive “4K DisplayPort 1.2 to HDMI Adapter by Benfei DP Display Port to HDMI UHD 2K 3D Audio and Video Converter Male to Female Gold-Plated Cord” 
  • Misc. Cables: 2 SATAIII, Dell MX714 Floppy FDD to SATA Power Converter Cable

 

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And after many iterations it wasn’t long before this Configuration:  

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 BETA

  • 32GB RAM (2 x KVR24E17D8/16)
  • Windows 10 Pro x64 with HyperV enabled
  • OS Drive: SATA Port 5 – Samsung 840 Pro 256GB located in ODD bay
  • Data Drive: SATA Port 6 – Samsung 840 Pro 256GB located on revised SDM 3.5 located on side of PSU (the first drive I attached to SATA PORT6 was a Corsair Force GT 60GB and originally both were located in the ODD bay with the OS drive before later moving the Samsung on Port6 down by the PSU)
  • Data Drive: SATA Ports 1&2 in SW RAID0 2 x WD3000HLHX in drive bays 1&2
  • Data Drive: SATA Ports 3&4 in SW RAID1 2 x WD5001F9YZ in drive bays 3&4
  • Main Monitor attached with HDMI cable via : Passive “4K DisplayPort 1.2 to HDMI Adapter by Benfei DP Display Port to HDMI UHD 2K 3D Audio and Video Converter Male to Female Gold-Plated Cord” 
  • 2nd Monitor attached with HDMI cable via: “Active DisplayPort to HDMI 4K Adapter, Benfei DP to HDMI Ultra HD Converter”   
  • 3rd Monitor attached to VGA Port (I went quite a while before attaching the 3rd Monitor - I was using it in other places in my home lab)
  • Misc. Cables: 2 SATAIII, Dell MX714 Floppy FDD to SATA Power Converter Cable, SATA Power to two SATA Power Y splitter cable
  • SDM 3.5 (revised)

 

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After many more changes I am now at As-Built June 5, 2017:

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 BETA (see Picture below)

  • 32GB RAM (2 x KVR24E17D8/16)
  • Windows 10 Pro x64 with HyperV enabled
  • OS Drive: SATA Port 5 – Samsung 840 Pro 256GB located in ODD bay
  • Data Drive: SATA Port 6 – WL500GLSA8100 500GB 10K RPM 2.5” HDD mounted on revised SDM 3.5 that I mounted on side of PSU
  • Data Drive: SATA Ports 1&2 in SW RAID0 2 x WD3000HLHX in drive bays 1&2
  • Data Drive: SATA Ports 3&4 in SW RAID1 2 x 2.5” WD10JVCX Red Drives in Icy Dock’s EZConvert’s in drive bays 3&4
  • Main Monitor attached with HDMI cable via : Passive “4K DisplayPort 1.2 to HDMI Adapter by Benfei DP Display Port to HDMI UHD 2K 3D Audio and Video Converter Male to Female Gold-Plated Cord” 
  • 2nd Monitor attached with HDMI cable via: “Active DisplayPort to HDMI 4K Adapter, Benfei DP to HDMI Ultra HD Converter”   
  • 3rd Monitor attached to VGA Port
  • Misc. Cables: 2 SATAIII, Dell MX714 Floppy FDD to SATA Power Converter Cable, SATA Power to two SATA Power Y splitter cable
  • SDM 3.5 (revised)
  • MicroSoft wireless Keyboard & Mouse

 

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HPE ProLiant Gen10 MicroServer with streaming movie playing (Batman vs Superman – Monitor 1), six VMs loaded and powered up (Hyper-V Manager window open – Monitor 2), and Excel spreadsheet opened crunching 19 years of daily data for multiple graphs (Monitor 3) all using about 49% of installed 32GB RAM.  The disk activity that can be made out on the Task Manager is from the VMs – the Excel spreadsheet is on my home server.

See other Threads in this Forum for more information about what Schoondoggy and I have tested so far.

 

 

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Instead of starting another thread I will add my thoughts to John's thread:

June 2, 2017

Initial thoughts on MicroServer Gen10 beta:

For a few weeks, I’ve had the opportunity to play with the MicroServer Gen10 Beta.

Let’s look at what is similar and what is different. Basic similarities, the case is identical in size so it will stack with the Gen8, it has four removable drive bays and two Gigabit ethernet ports.

Things that are new or different, it will be using the AMD x3000 family series APU, not socketed. It will have UEFI bios. Support for 32 Gb of memory. The four bay drives will be a tray-less design. There is no longer a front door, to remove the drives you will need to remove the front bezel. Standard 200 W power supply. Marvell SATA controller for the four bays. One or two additional SATA of ports, one is documented the other is functional, but not listed. All SATA 6 Gb/s. Two open ended PCIe slots, x8 and x1. Lower noise than the Gen8.

In the category of what is missing from the GEN8 there is no iLo, no Intelligent Provisioning or no B120i. Much like the ML10 Gen9, the MicroServer Gen10 is a bit of a departure from the standard features of traditional Proliant servers. I really like iLo, but it comes at two costs. First off, iLo requires adding the iLo controller to the design. Secondarily, iLo limits onboard video to the Matrox G200 built into the iLo controller. Remote access will be an issue for some. I had hope AMD had some type of chipset based function like Intel AMT, but it appears not. Intelligent Provisioning is great for rapidly deploying servers or remotely deploying servers, but I am not sure how often IT departments used it with the MicroServer Gen8. The B120i is a firmware based RAID. It was nice to have a ESXi friendly RAID controller that was compatible with other HP RAID controllers built-in, but performance and features were issues. If iLo, IP and built in RAID are important to you, there are plenty of HP servers up stream that will meet your needs.

So far, I have mainly played with Windows 10 and Server 2016 on the MicroServer Gen10. Everything works as expected. Next area’s I plan to work on are ESXi 6.5, FreeNAS and ClearOS. Also, will be looking at external storage using a H221 HBA.

When I look through posts in the forum over the last year, I think users of MicroServer’s break into three categories; media server/HTPC, home IT lab, traditional home server.

The x3421 is in the 5000+ range in Passmark, the graphics are R7 and the Gen10 is very quiet. For users looking for a HTPC or media server the Gen10 will be a better choice than a Gen8.

Much like the ML10 Gen9, ESXi is not listed as a supported OS, but I have no reason to believe it will not work on the MicroServer Gen10. The MicroServer Gen10 could be good choice for a home lab server.

ClearOS that comes installed on the MicroServer Gen10 may be a good choice for a traditional home server OS or you could use any number of Microsoft or Linux flavors making the MicroServer Gen10 a good choice for a home server.

All said and done some of this will come down to cost. I have always found HPE to be competitive in their pricing of MicroServers. Just as the MicroServer Gen8 was very different than MicroServer N36l/N40l/N54l, the MicroServer Gen10 is very different as well. Some will find the missing features of the MicroServer Gen8 to be deal breakers, but I think others will find the new features of the MicroServer Gen 10 a good reason to explore this new server. Depending on your use case there’s a lot to like in the new MicroServer Gen10. I’m sure we will discuss it heavily in the forums. Please let me know other things you would like to see tested and I will try to find the time to work through your questions.

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FreeN@S

Hello,

Can you Beta-testers test if those APU's support aka vt-d ( don't know how it is called by AMD). Can we passthrough HBA( like IBM M1015)  or other device to a VM ? And how it is working with ESXi 6.5

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fury

Great review and detailed information. 

Does the fan in this use the same 6 pin configuration as the gen 8?

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Trig0r

How does the unit "feel", we already know that the CPU isnt as strong as the Xeon, but given the other upgrades to the unit does it feel slower for having less actaul CPU grunt?

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JackoUK

Thanks Joe ... used up my daily 'like' limit for the first time today :wub:

I see the power users on the forum are already lamenting the loss of iLo and the restriction to a fixed CPU ...

... but those with more modest needs like myself will I suspect like the improvements.

Whether we will like the price remains to be seen!

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16 hours ago, schoondoggy said:

Please let me know other things you would like to see tested and I will try to find the time to work through your questions.

I agree with your 3-way use-case assessment ... and would like to know how the G10 performs as a 4K video streamer.

HP are citing this as a use-case too but the displayports are only rev. 1.2 which I believe is limited to a 60/75 Hz refresh rate, New TV's have moved up to 120Hz.

https://www.hpe.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=a00008776enw&doctype=Solution

If you don't own a 4K TV then I'll understand why you can't do the test!

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48 minutes ago, Trig0r said:

How does the unit "feel", we already know that the CPU isnt as strong as the Xeon, but given the other upgrades to the unit does it feel slower for having less actaul CPU grunt?

It "feels" zippy.  Very subjective I know but compared to to previous machines I feel it has some muscle behind it.  I have brought it to it's knees a few times -- with over a half dozen VMs running I've gotten hit with major updated on all the VMs at once and that pegs the CPU but the same has happened before with the Xeon in the Gen8 and ML30G9.  I REALLY like the Video - and if I had a 4K monitor in the house I would be hooking it up to that -- but 3 monitors out of the box is pretty cool in itself.

I've loaded WHS2011 & WS2012Storage to VMs and I was going to try passing thru HDD's soon.

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Hello,
Can you Beta-testers test if those APU's support aka vt-d ( don't know how it is called by AMD). Can we passthrough HBA( like IBM M1015)  or other device to a VM ? And how it is working with ESXi 6.5

I will start working on ESXi today. Will let you know what I find.

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      DVD & Blu-Ray Drives      HP MS G8 ODD Bracket Prototype!!
      HP 652241-B21 9.5mm Optical Drive is avail at Quill.com!!  Panasonic UJ262 UJ-262 9.5mm BD-RE Blu-Ray Drive Burner Player!!    Gen8 Blu-Ray Drive!!  HP 460014-001 Optical Drive Bracket!! Important Note on HP MicroServer Gen8 Optical Drives!!!    Running an ODD off the Internal USB!!
       
      ODD and Other Mods & Builds    SGDM-SDM Pre-Production Review: HP ProLiant Gen8 MicroServer!!
      Gen8 2.5” HDD in the ODD Bay!   HP MicroServer Gen8 2*2.5" Drive Bracket Mount Prototype!!   The Schoondoggy Gen8 Drive Mount for the HP ProLiant Gen8 MicroServer First Look!!  HSS Episode 245!!     Got a NEW HP ProLiant MicroServer Gen8!!  HP MicroServer MOD (8 DRIVES) !!  SSD speed using ODD SATA!!
      2.5" SSD Drives -- Drive Caddy!!    3.5" Floppy Power Connector in Gen8? Are You Kidding??    MicroServer Door Mods!!    Gen 8 USB Slim SATA adapter for ODD!!!    HP MS G8 2.5” Drive Bracket!!  Self-Made Drive Bracket Upgrade of my Gen8!!  USB3.0 to SATA2 Converter!!
       
      iLO4
      iLO Advanced License Keys $18.50-$24.00!!!     Signing into iLO!!       Gen8 MicroServer iLO4 & Remote Monitoring & License!!    iLO Advanced!!  Gen8 MicroServer – iLO4 Management – AlertMail!!    HP iLO4 User Guide!!     HP iLO University Videos!!     HP Integrated Lights-Out (iLO) !!    HP Intelligent Provisioning User Guide !!
      Gen8 MicroServer has iLO4 built-in!!    Manage RAID from within Windows!!    iLO4 Version 2.00 (9Sept2014)!!     Advanced Licenses !!
       
      OS's
      WHAT HP Server DRIVERS to USE for Windows 8.1 8 7 Vista !!!
      Windows 8.1 use Windows Server 2012 R2 HP Drivers
      Windows 8 use Windows Server 2012 HP Drivers
      Windows 7, WHS 2011 use Windows Server 2008 R2 HP Drivers
      Win8!! PsiKey First Look!!
      Win8.1!!    Windows 8.1 on Gen8 MicroServer!!  Windows 8.1 install Using Flash Drive!!     Windows 8.1 with RAID0 SSD on the ODD SATA Port in a ProLiant DL320e Gen8 V2!!!
      Windows7!!  Target Controller Missing on Hardware Settings Screen!!  Win7 Driver pack for Gen8!!   BSOD with Matrox Drivers and Windows 7 Pro on Gen8!!   Win7 Pro-64 install inc SSD Boot and 4HDD??  Installing Windows 7 on my HP ProLiant Gen8 MicroServer!!!
      Windows10 (Windows Technical Preview)!!
      S2012E!!  Windows Server 2012 Essentials installed on Gen8!!
      S2012!!    S2012 Backup Failure due to Intelligent Provisioning!!
      S2012-R2 E!!  Gen8 MS: Anyone Successfully Installing Server 2012 R2 Essentials on a Gen8 MicroServer??  Windows Server 2012 Essentials R2 and HP MicroServer Gen8 -- Migration!!    How to make Windows Server 2012 R2 Essentials client connector install behave just like Windows Home Server!!  Hardware for 2012 E R2!!!    Running S2012R2E!!!
      S2012-R2!!  Implementing Microsoft Windows Server 2012 R2 on HP ProLiant servers!!  Gen8 Kernal_Security_Check_Failure!!  How to Install Windows Server 2012 R2 on a HP ProLiant Gen8!!  Windows Server 2012 R2 and Windows Server 2012 TechNET Library Documentation!!    Installing S2012R2 onto MicroServer Gen8 Woes!!    Installing Windows Server 2012 R2 on My HP ProLiant Gen8 MicroServer!!   Windows Server 2012R2 installed on my Gen8 MicroServer ODD SATA!!!
      WHS-2011!!  Has Anyone Loaded & Run WHS-2011 on a Gen8 MicroServer??  HP MicroServer Gen8 Configuration!!    Unattended install of WHS 2011 using HD smaller than minimum requirement!!  Installing WHS2011 on B120i & P222!  Installing WHS2011 in AHCI mode!  !  Fix found for HotFix for GPT UEFI Backups with WHS2011!!
      Server10 (Windows Server Technical Preview)  Windows Server Technical Preview on Gen8!!
      Ubuntu 13.04!!  Help Moving From N36L to Gen8!!
      ESXi !!    ESXi Notes!!  MX200 – RAID1 on B120i!!     HP MicroServer Gen8 Build - E3-1230V2, 16GB RAM, M1015 HBA, SSD, ESXi!!  HP MicroServer Gen8 - ESXi 5.5 NIC Not Found??  Customize VMware ESXi Images for HP ProLiant Servers!!!
      KVM Virtualization … anyone??    ESXi 5.5 vs Hyper-V Server on Gen8!!
      Kubuntu 12.04 LTS!! HP MicroServer Gen8 with Kubuntu 12.04 LTS!!
      Xpenology Several attempts to POST a brand new Gen8 – problem?? 
       
      OS Restoration – WS2012 BMR!!  A trip through the Land of System Restoration (MicroServer Gen8 WS2012 BMR Guide)!!
       
      Server/Client Backup Options
      Veeam Endpoint Backup!!
       
      Fans & Sound
      How Quiet is your HP MS G8??  Gen8 MicroServer - Be Aware of Fan Issue, Add in Cards!!    SSD Compatibility List for Gen8 Fan!!  New J06 ROM 2013.11.09 – thanks to TimeOut #202 & #206!!
       
      Gen8 Power Consumption
      Power Consumption!!  Installing PicoPSU in MicroServer Gen8 (Including Power Usage) – Lennart!!
       
      Replacement PSU for MS Gen8!!
       
      HP ProLiant DL320e Gen8 V2
      HP ProLiant DL320e Gen8 V2 and Windows Server Technical Preview !! 
      HP ProLiant DL320e Gen8 v2 and Windows Server 2012R2 !!  
      Using SSD’s in a HP ProLiant DL320e Gen8 V2 !!
      Attaching a HDD to the ODD SATA Port in a HP ProLiant DL320e Gen8 V2 !!
      Windows 8.1 with RAID0 SSD on the ODD SATA Port in a HP ProLiant DL320e Gen8 V2 !!  
       
      Greg Starks talks about New HP ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 at HP Tech Talk!!     Monsta's Musings on MicroServers!!
      HP ProLiant Gen8 MicroServer Club – OverClockers AU    !!     HP MicroServer Gen8 is Here -- AVForums  UK!!
      Can you Build Your Own Gen8 equivalent MicroServer??   Puget Systems: Most Reliable Hardware of 2013!!    Spinrite is not Data Recovery Software!!   Drive Setup!!


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