Jump to content
RESET Forums (homeservershow.com)

WS 2012 R2 Hyper-V and VMWare ESX on HP Prolient ML10v2


Amit
 Share

Recommended Posts

Greetings Gents,

 

I am trying to build a home lab for the purposes of learning the virtualization technologies - WS 2012 R2 Hyper-V / VMware ESX / Citrix XenServer and for this purpose, I have just purchased (with my limited knowledge in server hardware)1 HP Prolient ML10v2 with Xeon E3-1220 v3, 8 Gigs of RAM, Single 1 TB HDD. I am also planning to buy more ML10v2 servers, (if ML10v2 server can fulfil my requirement of implementing these virtualization solutions and can run couple of VMs per host). 

 

My question to the community is whether has anyone successfully installed/ran these solution off this server? if yes, what are the considerations for installing VMware ESX/Citrix XenServer that one must keep in mind?

 

If the ML10v2 hardware is not capable of installing/running/hosting these bare metal solutions (VMware/XenServer) than what is the minimum hardware requirement to be considered before purchasing another server. Please consider the fact that this is a home lab and I have limited budget of around 1000-1500 USD (500 already spent) and have to meet the needs first and wants later. 

 

Consider me a newbie here and if I have missed any information to be provided, please let me know. Any help/advice is much appreciated, Thanks in advance.

 

Regards

Amit   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Amit!

 

I don't have that specific server to help with compatibility queries but it shouldn't have any major challenges running ESXi

 

A couple of builds for you in terms of prioritising your spend.

 

1) Memory - you need to max out the server if you want to run more than a couple of VM's at once.

 

2) Hard Drives - put as many drives in as possible and spread your most used VM's across the different disks to reduce disk contention.

 

Prioritise these over buying more servers - I've got a single Lenovo TS140 with 32GB, a Xeon E1226v3 and a mix of SSD and spinner drives and have up to 15 VM's running at once - VM's include my firewall, domain controller, file server, WSUS server, numerous test servers, snmp monitor and a few test windows 7 & 10 client instances.

 

If you can upgrade your existing ML10v2 to its peak capacity (perhaps move to 16gb first to see how you get on and spread the cost outlay) you'll see that you can get a lot of VM's on a single host!!

 

I believe you can still install XenServer within a VM on ESXi if you wanted to (I tried it a few years ago) but I've found ESXi to be the most flexible and pleasing to use.

 

Have fun!!

 

Matt

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hello Amit.  So your question is, will HP ML10 or ML10v2 be suitable for running virtual machines?  yes.  But beware, that Microsoft Server 2012r2 Standard has its "official" limits of host machine and 2 VMs.  so, if you wanted to run 6 VMs, you would need 3 physical machines, and 2 VMs per machine.  If you have Datacenter version (not standard), then you can have unlimited number of VMs on 1 box.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Many thanks for your valuable inputs Matt.

 

You suggestions regarding the Memory and mix of HDDs was great and this will certainly be of great help in taking maximum out of my individual servers while keeping the VMs performance smooth.

 

The idea behind building this lab was to increase my skill set by gaining the knowledge of virtualization solutions (ESXi/XenServer/Hyper-V). The reason for considering more than 1 physical host was to evaluate these solutions as much as possible (HA, vMotion etc.).

 

As you mentioned about TS140, it does seems to be a good entry range server available with almost same price range as HP Prolient ML10v2, but with more number of supported OSs (including Desktop OSs). I plan to begin with Hyper-V, afterwards ESXi and XenServer(in last). So even if Xenserver is not supported with current Hardware , it can be installed within ESXi as a VM (as you suggested above). 

 

Once again my sincere thanks to you and Happy learning to all.

 

Regards

Amit

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for you reply, Pete.

 

I intend to use W2K12 R2 DC edition, where I would be able to create unlimited VMs.

 

My actual question was about the virtualization, I want to know if someone already installed ESXi or XenServer on this hardware platform and if yes, how did they do it? Were there any issues noticed while installing any of these 2 hyper-visors on the server?

Edited by Amit
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

  • Similar Content

    • E3000
      By E3000
      Hello all,
       
      A few questions for those who use Type-1 Hypervisors on their Gen8 MicroServers...
       
      I am looking to try ESXi or ProxMox and have been reading a lot of the threads on here.
      Hopefully you guys can help with some harder to find answers I have been seeking.
       
      1) Which would be the better way to setup ProxMox:
           a) Hypervisor on Internal MicroSD, VMs installed on SSD in ODD Port, Data on 4x HDDs in bays.
           b) Hypervisor on Internal USB, VMs installed on SSD in ODD Port, Data on 4x HDDs in bays.
           c) Hypervisor and VMs both installed on same SSD (partitioned?) in ODD Port, Data on 4x HDDs in bays.
           d) Hypervisor on SSD using a USB-to-SATA cable on Internal USB, VMs installed on separate SSD in ODD Port, Data on 4x HDDs in bays.
       
      2) Would a 128GB SSD be a ‘waste‘ for installing a Hypervisor on? How much space is typically needed?
       
      3) How many VMs have you guys run on a Gen8 comfortably without it being sluggish?
       
      4) Everyone seems to be going RAID crazy these days. Is there any reason to use it if high-availability is not that necessary and a good backup plan is in place? What is wrong with separate disks (or singular Raid0s)?
       
      5) Does using Type-1 Hypervisors have any effect on the internal fans speed/noise? Is it possible to have 3-5 VMs running and still have the fan speed @~8% as it was when I was using 2 nested (Type-2) VMs?
       
      Sorry in advance if some of these questions are silly, common knowledge, or “depends on what you are doing in the VMs!” 😆
       
      Thanks in advance to all those that help!
    • Joe_Miner
      By Joe_Miner
      By: JohnStutsman
       
       
       

       
      Figure 1 – The Calhoun Technologies HP 686745-002 “Refurbished” drive-cage in anti-static package with Dell 15” mini SAS cable resting on top with other drive-cages and HPE ProLiant ML10v2 Server
       
       
       
      A year ago when I was planning my move to Ohio I wanted to move my 5TB drives from my HPE ProLiant ML30 Gen9 to my HPE ProLiant ML10v2 in order to set up a “Mirror” backup of the files on my WHS2011 system using AllWay Sync on my ML10v2. The fastest way to make the move was to unplug the drive-cage in the ML30 Gen9 and plug it into the ML10v2! It fit perfectly and worked flawlessly. It also spoiled me!
       
      After settling in Ohio, finally, I wanted to return the ML30 Gen9’s drive-cage to its rightful place and I began searching for the best low-cost way to add a drive-cage to my ML10v2 that worked like the one in the ML30 Gen9 instead of the stock ML10v2 drive-cage. There’s a great discussion in the HSS Forums documenting forum members search for a similar drive-cage.
       
       
       

       
      Figure 2 – Pages 18 & 19 of HPE ProLiant ML30 Gen9 Server “Maintenance and Service Guide”; Part Number: 825545-001; December 2015; Edition 1; shows a spare part number 792351-001 for the Four-bay LFF Hot-plug drive backplane assembly which would include the a) Drive backplane and Drive cage – Part 792351-001 is the part I first looked for and found at Calhoun Technologies.
       
       
       
      After reading some great suggestions in the Forums I stumbled upon the 792351-001 in the parts number of the ML30 Gen9 manual and thought it should fit the bill and found a low-cost option at Calhoun Technologies for a 792351-001 “Refurbished”.
       
       
       

       
      Figure 3 – ML30Gen9 drive-cage (also 686745-002 footprint) compared to 792351-001 on bottom – the sharpie markings show how much wider the front of the 792351-001 frame is compared to the 686745-002 and why the front cover of the ML10v2 wouldn’t close on the 792351-001.
       
       
       
      The 792351-001 did work in my ML10v2 but I could not close the front cover on the ML10v2, so I kept looking while also trying to modify the 792351 with my Dremel. I could make it fit finally, but only after a lot of Dremel work and the end result didn’t look good.
       
       
       

       
      Figure 4 – Tag identifying the drive-cage assembly in ML30G9 as: HPE P/N 674790-002 Replace with spare HDD Cage, 4Lff, $u Gen8 Enhanced (686745-002) LITEON (Rev. 15-11-17. The 686745-002 that arrived was identified with a similar tag: HP P/N 674790-002 Replace with spare HDD Cage, 4LFF, 4U Gen8 Enhanced (686745-002) LITEON (Rev.A) 14-03-17.
       
       
       
      On the drive-cage out of the ML30 Gen9 I found the part number 686745-002 which I thought was the part number of the cage alone. (I was wrong about that!) I found it at Calhoun Technologies listed as HP 686745-002 “Refurbished” SPS-HDD cage 4LFF 4U Enhanced. Thinking that it was likely only the drive-cage without a backplane I ordered it since with the 792351-001 I had an extra backplane. I was wrong! The part number referred to the assembly of the drive-cage and backplane.
       
      As the following pictures will show the 686745-002 arrived with a backplane and it appears to be working flawlessly.
       
       
       

       
      Figure 5 – Front and Back of Calhoun Technologies HP 686745-002 “Refurbished” SPS-HDD cage 4LFF 4U Enhanced
       
       
       

       
      Figure 6 – Picture of backplanes L-R: ML30G9 Drive-Cage, 792351-001, and 686745-002
       
       
       
      Video of my installation of the 686745-002.
       
       
       
       
      Video 1 – Install Drive-Cage in HPE ProLiant ML10v2
       
       
       

       
      Figure 7 – Calhoun Technologies HP 686745-002 “Refurbished” SPS-HDD cage 4LFF 4U Enhanced installed in HPE ProLiant ML10v2
       
       
       

       
      Figure 8 – HPE ProLiant ML10v2 powered up and all 3.5” drives functioning in Calhoun Technologies HP 686745-002 “Refurbished” SPS-HDD cage 4LFF 4U Enhanced
       
       
       
      Thanks to the members of HSS Forum Thread: ML10v2 Drive-Cage for their many insights and suggestions and thanks to forum member ToyCeli22 for starting the thread.
       
       
       

       
      Figure 9 – 686745-002 drive-cage installed in ML10v2 on left and stock 674790-002 drive-cage back in the ML30Gen9 on right
       
       
       
      In the As-Built that follows I list how this ML10v2 is loaded. Be sure to check out more on this at ML10 and ML10v2 Forum and ML10v2 Drive Cage Forum Thread.
       
       
       
      As-Built (I named my Computer: SkyNet)
      HPE ProLiant ML10v2 Server Xeon E3-1220v3 32GB Unbuffered ECC RAM KVR16E11K4/32 OS: Windows 8.1 Pro B120i Logical Drive 01: OS drive – 1 x Corsair Force GT 240GB SSD in RAID0 on HP Dynamic Smart Array B120i RAID Controller – Port 1 (SATA III or 6GB/s) -- Icy Dock ExpressCage MB326SP-B Bay 1 B120i Logical Drive 02: Data drive – 1 x Samsung 256GB 840 Pro SSD in RAID0 on HP Dynamic Smart Array B120i RAID Controller – Port 2 (SATA III or 6GB/s) – Icy Dock ExpressCage MB326SP-B Bay 2 B120i Logical Drive 03: Data drive -- 4 x WD10JUCT 1TB 2.5” HDDs in RAID10 on HP Dynamic Smart Array B120i RAID Controller – Ports 3, 4, 5, & 6 (each SATA II or 3GB/s) – Icy Dock ExpressCage MB326SP-B Bays 3, 4, 5, & 6 P222 Logical Drive 01: Data drive – 4 x WD 5TB SE HDDs (WD5001F9YZ) in RAID5 on HP Dynamic Smart Array P222 RAID Controller Card – Ports 1, 2, 3, & 4 (each SATA III or 6GB/s) – mounted in Bays 1, 2, 3, & 4 of drive-cage 686745-002 “Refurbished” Calhoun Technologies Drive-cage 686745-002 “Refurbished” SPS-HDD cage 4LFF 4U Enhanced; Dell Poweredge T710 PG9KK Mini SAS SFF-8087 cable 15” (38cm) Icy Dock ExpressCage MB326SP-B (I used the existing SATA cable that had gone to the optical drive for bay 5 plus a Blue 18” SATA cable I had in stock from previous projects for Bay 6; StarTech Model SAS8087S450 19” (50cm) Serial Attached SCSI SAS Cable – SFF-8087 to 4x Latching SATA for Bays 1, 2, 3, & 4; I also used a Molex Y to two SATA Power Connectors) 60mm Fan mounted near the bottom front of ML10v2 to increase air flow for the P222 60mm Fan mounted in empty card slot to direct air flow directly on P222 heat sink (plus Molex to Fan splitter and Y Fan to 2 Fan connector cable)  
       
       Please join us in the HSS Forums to discuss this and many other interesting topics.
       
       
       
      References:
       
      Check HSS Forum Post: http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/10796-ml10v2-drive-cage/
       
      Scsi4me.com 3.5” Drive Tray Caddy 4 HP ProLiant ML350e ML310e SL250s Gen8 Gen9 G9 651314-001 http://www.ebay.com/itm/231001449171
       
      Dell Poweredge T710 PG9KK Mini SAS SFF-8087 to SFF-8087 Cable 15” (38cm) https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Poweredge-PG9KK-SFF-8087-Cable/dp/B00NOEY3OS/ref=pd_sim_147_9?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=1ZRF07DQQ5V1M36D045C
       
       HPE ProLiant ML30 Gen9 Server; Maintenance and Service Guide (Item 18 on pages 18-19 lists a Spare part number 792351-001 Four-bay LFF Hot-plug drive backplane assembly – this was where I initially got part number 792351-001 that I ordered from Calhoun Technologies – as stated earlier I found that it did work but I was unable to close the front cover of the ML10v2 or ML30G9 when that part was installed) http://h20628.www2.hp.com/km-ext/kmcsdirect/emr_na-c04905980-1.pdf
       
      Calhoun Technologies HP 686745-002 Refurbished http://www.calhountech.com/products/hp-686745-002-4-bay-sas-sata-lff-hot-plug-drv-cage.html
       
      Additional Fans in the HPE ProLiant ML10v2 http://homeservershow.com/additional-fans-in-the-hpe-proliant-ml10v2.html
       
      Installing Icy Dock 5.25” ExpressCage MB326SP-B http://homeservershow.com/installing-my-icy-dock-5-25-expresscage-mb326sp-b.html  
       
      Other HSS ML10v2 Blog Postings: http://homeservershow.com/tag/ML10v2
       
      HSS HP ProLiant ML10v2 postings: http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/forum/98-ml10-and-ml10v2/
       
      Check out my ML10v2 Play List:
       
      Unboxing Drive Caddies for my ML30 G9
       
       
    • Dave
      By Dave
      Panos Panay just wowed the Microsoft crowd with two incredible hardware reveals. The first was the SurfaceBook i7 with a whopping 16 hours of battery life.  The second was Surface Studio. I dare you to call it an "All in One" after today.
       
      I'll be chatting about all this gear on my new podcast, RESET. Find it here: mccabe.io
       
       
       

       
      Surface Studio
       
      The specs of Studio are impressive but visually it is stunning. It has 28" of wow that can be manipulated to however you prefer to create.
       

       
      Screen: 28" PixelSense Display
      Resolution: 4500 x 3000 (192 DPI)
      Color settings: Adobe sRGB, DCI-P3 and Vivid Color Profiles, Individually color calibrated
      Touch: 10-point multi-touch
      Aspect Ratio: 3:2
      Surface Pen
      Zero Gravity Hinge
      Quad-core 6th Gen Intel Core i5 or i7
      NVIDIA GeForce GTX 965M 2GB GPU GDDR5 memory or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 4GB GPU GDDR5 memory
       
      It looks like a creative persons dream machine.  Apple picked a bad week to follow Microsoft when it comes to hardware reveals.  I personally would like to try the Studio and Dial with some video editing software.  I think it will be great for that.
       
      Look at the Microsoft Store online for more photos.  It really is a nice looking Surface. Link Here.
       
      Surface Book
       
      The Surface Book is plain and simple; More.  More graphics and more battery.  It's a little heavier and starts at 3.6 pounds where last year's Surface Book was 3.3 pounds.  Maybe it's the new 6th Gen Intel Core i7 or the i7: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 965M with 2GB of GDDR5 memory.  That's nice but Panos stated they just put in more battery!  It's nice to see that.  Adds a little weight but for those that want the battery life it's a welcome change.
       

       
       
       
      Surface Dial
      The Dial is impressive.  It's compatible with any Windows 10 enabled PC, laptop, or tablet as long as it has the Anniversary Update.  Don't try this with your Surface Pro but it will stick to the screen of the Surface Studio!  It will have optimized off screen compatibility with Surface Book and SP4.
       
      It's a jog dial on steroids and Panos and software partners demo'd many uses of it. Color wheel, zoom in, etc.  It's $99 and can be purchased now for delivery on November 10th.
       

       
      Thanks for shopping with my links.  Maybe I can get one too!
    • actigner
      By actigner
      I just recently built up a ML10V2 server and updated it with a hot swap cage and associated trays. For some reason I'm not getting any activity lights on the front of the trays when the server is running. I know the lights work because they briefly come on when the server is powered up. The drives are being driven by a P410 Smart Array and I'm wondering if that's not the reason. I have had nothing but good luck with the P410 controller and would be surprised if it was the cause. Everything works great except I see no activity lights.
    • Joe_Miner
      By Joe_Miner
      HP ProLiant ML10v2 i3-4150 $169.99 with Promo Code EMCREBR27 after #30 MIR https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=2RC-001A-000S2&Tpk=2RC-001A-000S2 
×
×
  • Create New...