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I haven't really looked into it yet.  The most I know is from the HSS podcasts.  I know it will either be a Network DVR, DVR software running on a Linux box or a NAS.  Whatever is the most affordable and usable.

It would cut down on firewall traffic if the storage server/NAS for the IP cameras was on the same subnet as the IP cameras.

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It would cut down on firewall traffic if the storage server/NAS for the IP cameras was on the same subnet as the IP cameras.

Lots of NAS boxes these days come with more then one NIC so that's an easy solve. I have to tell you I had around 45 devices on my network and 6 of those devices where 3 and 4MP IP cameras all on the same LAN and speed was not a problem. We streamed movies, Played gaming consoles, surfed the web and reading emails, Watch Youtube videos, Netflix, nothing was a problem. Just FYI. Synology also has a dedicated NVR solution that comes in 2 models a 4 camera and a 9 camera, These two boxes include the 50.00 camera licenses so it does not look cheap @400.00 for the 4 camera unit but if you think about it the NVR is only 200.00 plus the four camera licenses @50.00 each bringing it to 400.00. This is just one option.

https://www.amazon.com/Synology-Network-Recorder-NVR216-4CH/dp/B019A4TZKW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473207213&sr=8-1&keywords=Synology+Network+Video+Recorder+%28NVR216+%284CH%29%29

 

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/NVR216#spec

 

 

Another option is Blue Iris, I tried this years ago but did not like it but many people do, You will need a powerful server to run this software.

http://blueirissoftware.com/

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dalem

Start with any hardware you can spare and go from there.

I only have one pc but I don't remember what it is.  I know it is old but I don't know how old.  I will check it out.

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1. Do you have any of the parts for this build laying around or your starting from scratch?

2. What is your budget for this router build?

3. If you don't already have the motherboard/CPU then a core i3 is overkill, Stick with a J1900 or N3700 (SoC). I personally would not use a desktop grade motherboard for a server that said if your wanting to keep this on the cheap and your willing to add a quad port Intel NIC then you could use somthing like this https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Built--Celeron-Motherboard-GA-J1900N-D3V/dp/B00IW99S4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473187464&sr=8-1&keywords=GA-J1900N-D3V

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4918#sp

 

That Gigabyte only has duel NICs and its the worst of the bunch (Realtek) so you would have to disable them and use a good quad port Intel, This board also does not have IPMI so a monitor & keyboard will be needed. If your willing to spend the mony for a good server board the has IPMI and onboard Intel quad NIC's then I would recomend the one I am going to use http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=MB-X11SLN&c=fr&hash=5c622cabTHM5aAcRIRIJUEsB8UChrtrB2L09a8XRWsvVSPVxRNdq0wSqHUUkxCesbJes%2B44Yktg28AVTLZWJOa00i6zNR3KdNpk0EF%2BqFneL47fQb4Vqaw&gclid=Cj0KEQjw0rm-BRCn85bm8uS-zK0BEiQAHo4vrFIfbKVXBndToJtHf_OK6iESDhSKTf062Z7I6zxGVKYaApda8P8HAQ

 

That Supermicro board also comes as a SuperServer http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-E2009B

 

Here is a nice review of the Supermicro board I recommend http://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-x11sba-ln4f-review/

I have one pc but I don't know how old it is.  I will need to power it on and see what it is....or remove the cover and check the cpu.  It was my HTPC that I took out of service.  It was able to stream MP4's from my NAS.  The budge is $300 to 4 or so.  Not a concern really.  I can buy a piece at a time if needed.  It is not like I need the newest cutting edge parts that will be obsoleted soon.

I have used a mixture of desktop boards and server/workstation class boards over the years.  If I do use a desktop board.  It is a middle of the range $120 - $150 board.  I usually replace the nics with Intel.  I learned the hard way early on in the development of Linux and OpenBSD back in the 90's early 2k's.  Intel and 3com were the most supported.  I had a lot of issues with realtek and other other brands when it came to those OS's.

While researching your suggestion.  I found another candidate.  An Asus J1900 SOC.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/J1900IC/

http://www.mini-box.com/ASUS-J1900I-C

It would cut down on firewall traffic if the storage server/NAS for the IP cameras was on the same subnet as the IP cameras.

After I wrote that reply.  I thought it over.  I can just put the IP cameras and the DVR on the same switch.  They are going to be POE anyway.  I might as well get a POE switch and use that.  If the network gets bogged down I can do plan B.  Put them on their own subnet.

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Lots of NAS boxes these days come with more then one NIC so that's an easy solve. I have to tell you I had around 45 devices on my network and 6 of those devices where 3 and 4MP IP cameras all on the same LAN and speed was not a problem. We streamed movies, Played gaming consoles, surfed the web and reading emails, Watch Youtube videos, Netflix, nothing was a problem. Just FYI. Synology also has a dedicated NVR solution that comes in 2 models a 4 camera and a 9 camera, These two boxes include the 50.00 camera licenses so it does not look cheap @400.00 for the 4 camera unit but if you think about it the NVR is only 200.00 plus the four camera licenses @50.00 each bringing it to 400.00. This is just one option.

https://www.amazon.com/Synology-Network-Recorder-NVR216-4CH/dp/B019A4TZKW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473207213&sr=8-1&keywords=Synology+Network+Video+Recorder+%28NVR216+%284CH%29%29

 

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/NVR216#spec

 

 

Another option is Blue Iris, I tried this years ago but did not like it but many people do, You will need a powerful server to run this software.

http://blueirissoftware.com/

I don't think there would be a problem.  It is more of a plan B.  Occasionally depending on what game/game streaming service my resident gamer is using.  I can notice slightly when he is online.

I like the looks of the Synology.  As far as the price goes.  The IP DVR's I have seen on various security companies websites vary from $200 to $600+.  Those are the typical ones you see in the guard shacks of various companies.  I think the Synology would be more expandable if needed.  The integrated IP DVR's have limited storage unless you get one of the expensive models.  Then you are in some cases exceeding the price of the Synology.

You are not kidding about the requirements of the Blue Iris.  WOW! I think we have a found another use for dual Xeon's besides ESXi. ;-)

 

This is not on topic.  What IP cameras have the best image?  I want to be able to make out faces and fine details.  I have actually used my existing analog DVR to help the local police department a couple times.  Each time I wished I had better resolution. 

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@dalem,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, I totally agree with you about Blue Iris and is one of several reasons I don't use it. With all this talk I almost for got to tell your what I decided to use after testing Blur Iris and Synology survalance station at my house, I ended up using milestone XProtect Go, Its free for up to 8 cameras and five days of recording witch I thing is long enough for home use. I did like the Synology Survalnce station but motion detection never worked rite no matter how many hours I spent tweaking it, XProtect Go did a really great job with motion detection and used very little recording space as a result. I had 6 IP cameras running on it. Take a hard look at it as its one of the best NVR software I found https://www.milestonesys.com/our-products/video-management-software/xprotect-go/

 

As for IP camera I was using LTS Platinum 3 and 4 MP, They are re-branded Hikvision cameras and though they work great they are a bit pricey and you need a EIN number to purchase these camera because they don't sell to the public. http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome.html Have a listen to the HSS podcast 297 where Dave and pcdoc talk about IP cameras they both seem to like and at a very reasonable cost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiY-_qxD-fY  If you don't want to listen to the whole podcast fast forward to 41 minutes for the talk. Below is the cameras they are talking about

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010LH48F4?redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01&th=1

 

One word of caution if you live in an aria with spiders and your going to use outside IP cameras consider not using bullet or dome cameras with IR, Spiders love them and will cover the camera lens with spider webs so you will have to hose them off every month or so to clear the lens to see the image, Instead go with a Turret style IP camera as I did and life will be good, The ones I used where these http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome/ip-network-turret-camera-cmip1142w-6.html

 

Update: I just found out about another free NVR option from another post though it is only Linux https://www.zoneminder.com/

This is the HSS post where I found it if you want to ask the OP any questions http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/11399-security-dvr-software/#entry121462 

 

Lisa of alternatives to Blue Iris http://alternativeto.net/software/blue-iris/

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@dalem,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, I totally agree with you about Blue Iris and is one of several reasons I don't use it. With all this talk I almost for got to tell your what I decided to use after testing Blur Iris and Synology survalance station at my house, I ended up using milestone XProtect Go, Its free for up to 8 cameras and five days of recording witch I thing is long enough for home use. I did like the Synology Survalnce station but motion detection never worked rite no matter how many hours I spent tweaking it, XProtect Go did a really great job with motion detection and used very little recording space as a result. I had 6 IP cameras running on it. Take a hard look at it as its one of the best NVR software I found https://www.milestonesys.com/our-products/video-management-software/xprotect-go/

 

As for IP camera I was using LTS Platinum 3 and 4 MP, They are re-branded Hikvision cameras and though they work great they are a bit pricey and you need a EIN number to purchase these camera because they don't sell to the public. http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome.html Have a listen to the HSS podcast 297 where Dave and pcdoc talk about IP cameras they both seem to like and at a very reasonable cost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiY-_qxD-fY  If you don't want to listen to the whole podcast fast forward to 41 minutes for the talk. Below is the cameras they are talking about

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010LH48F4?redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01&th=1

 

One word of caution if you live in an aria with spiders and your going to use outside IP cameras consider not using bullet or dome cameras with IR, Spiders love them and will cover the camera lens with spider webs so you will have to hose them off every month or so to clear the lens to see the image, Instead go with a Turret style IP camera as I did and life will be good, The ones I used where these http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome/ip-network-turret-camera-cmip1142w-6.html

 

Update: I just found out about another free NVR option from another post though it is only Linux https://www.zoneminder.com/

This is the HSS post where I found it if you want to ask the OP any questions http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/11399-security-dvr-software/#entry121462

 

Lisa of alternatives to Blue Iris http://alternativeto.net/software/blue-iris/

I love Blue Iris and have tried Milestone & ISpy. Why bother having security cameras if you only keep 5 days. All you need is an old i3 box with Blue Iris and run it as a stand alone security system accessed via a remote desktop connection.  I have 4 x 3MP Hikvisions (external and internal types) which coast $100 from China via AliExpress.  Sorry way off topic I realise.

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Am thinking of building a dedicated Blue Iris box. What specs for 4-5 cameras? Right now I run BI and 2 camera on my WS12R2 box in addition to Plex media server, etc.

 

I need to find someone to drill and mount cameras outside and run Ethernet cables for POE before I do anything else. Thought about having ADT do it initially then swapping with BI later.

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Am thinking of building a dedicated Blue Iris box. What specs for 4-5 cameras? Right now I run BI and 2 camera on my WS12R2 box in addition to Plex media server, etc.

 

I need to find someone to drill and mount cameras outside and run Ethernet cables for POE before I do anything else. Thought about having ADT do it initially then swapping with BI later.

I just use an old desktop that was running W7 but updated to W10 all by itself and BI never missed a beat.  Specs show as i3-4130 @ 3.4GHz 2 core with 8GB Ram. With 4 Cameras it runs at 45-50% CPU (35-40% being BI) and 45% memory usage.  It has a WD 1TB had disk which shows 45% free space and is holding all recorded files from the 4 cameras for the last 2 years. I used to record to my server but was running out of space so shifted the recordings to the BI box as I recall.  I have 4 Hikvision Cameras.  2 external connected by ethernet ( poE) and 2 internal connected to power outlets and wireless.   Only thing is to make sure the you set the BI to use Direct-to disc recording or CPU usage will be way higher. I also have 4 second pre-trigger buffer which also uses a lot of CPU but you get to see the 4 seconds of what happened before the alert is triggered.  Very handy sometimes.

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@dalem,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, I totally agree with you about Blue Iris and is one of several reasons I don't use it. With all this talk I almost for got to tell your what I decided to use after testing Blur Iris and Synology survalance station at my house, I ended up using milestone XProtect Go, Its free for up to 8 cameras and five days of recording witch I thing is long enough for home use. I did like the Synology Survalnce station but motion detection never worked rite no matter how many hours I spent tweaking it, XProtect Go did a really great job with motion detection and used very little recording space as a result. I had 6 IP cameras running on it. Take a hard look at it as its one of the best NVR software I found https://www.milestonesys.com/our-products/video-management-software/xprotect-go/

 

As for IP camera I was using LTS Platinum 3 and 4 MP, They are re-branded Hikvision cameras and though they work great they are a bit pricey and you need a EIN number to purchase these camera because they don't sell to the public. http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome.html Have a listen to the HSS podcast 297 where Dave and pcdoc talk about IP cameras they both seem to like and at a very reasonable cost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiY-_qxD-fY  If you don't want to listen to the whole podcast fast forward to 41 minutes for the talk. Below is the cameras they are talking about

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010LH48F4?redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01&th=1

 

One word of caution if you live in an aria with spiders and your going to use outside IP cameras consider not using bullet or dome cameras with IR, Spiders love them and will cover the camera lens with spider webs so you will have to hose them off every month or so to clear the lens to see the image, Instead go with a Turret style IP camera as I did and life will be good, The ones I used where these http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome/ip-network-turret-camera-cmip1142w-6.html

 

Update: I just found out about another free NVR option from another post though it is only Linux https://www.zoneminder.com/

This is the HSS post where I found it if you want to ask the OP any questions http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/11399-security-dvr-software/#entry121462

 

Lisa of alternatives to Blue Iris http://alternativeto.net/software/blue-iris/

Don't worry.  I have been busy myself.  Only had time to read some comments and sign out the past week or so.  Even though the Zoneminder sounds appealing because it uses Linux.  I think I may try the Xprotect.  Zoneminder might be more time than I want to devote to this camera project.  I am not thrilled with having to buy a copy of windows.  If it means a little more ease of setup of the camera software then so be it.

 

Would you say that Xprotect is not as demanding as Blue Iris?  

 

I was considering getting a haswell i5 or a skylake i5...depending on the price.  I haven't even looked.  Need to get time to finish this Plex server.

It is funny you mention LTS.  That is who made my current analog DVR.  I bought it at a local security/electronics store.  I was looking at the LTS cameras because I liked the DVR I have been using.  My requirements are just finer detail in the images.  I don't think that will be problem considering the age of my existing cameras.  Especially when they are analog.  My newest one is a 1.3 Mp 720p.

 

How is the motion detection?  That is one thing that annoys me about mine.  Sometimes I swear my dvr is asleep.  People just appear out of no where.  It isn't very often but still annoying.

 

As far as spiders go.  Oddly we do have spiders here but mine haven't been to interested in my cameras.  In any case.  I do like the turret style cameras.  I need to re-position one of my cameras once I get the IP cameras.  The exhaust of my furnace is below one of my cameras.  When the air condenses it total blocks the camera. I have been lazy over the years and never moved it.  When another camera failed near by.  I just positioned it to cover the area that the cloud occasionally blocks.

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