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Win 10 Pro vs Enterprise - Bait and Switch

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Drashna Jaelre

http://blogs.msmvps.com/bradley/2016/08/03/tilting-at-windmills-again/

 

Basically, a bunch of GPOs have been pulled from the Pro SKU and moved to "Enterprise only". 

 

This is a long list of shady stuff that MSFT has pulled recently (such as AppLocker removal, IIRC). 

 

https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-microsoft-end-the-bait-and-switch-stop-removing-features-in-branch-releases

 

 

The problem is that Windows 10 Pro is used by small and medium businesses, as Enterprise is only really cost effective for larger businesses, people using MSDN or the like, or .... pirates.  So continually pulling features from Pro is harmful.  To the point that soon, there won't be a real difference between Core/Home and Pro.

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Trig0r

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jmwills

Meanwhile, MSFT reached a new 52 week high. ($57.34)

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schoondoggy

Or should Microsoft work to make it easier and more cost effective for SMB customers to use the Enterprise licences?

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Big Worm

Small business and medium business don't care about those features.  Really it's MS way of forcing the correct business size to use the correct SKU.  They even said it.

 

"Microsoft is focused on helping enterprises manage their environment while giving people choice in the apps and devices they use to be productive across work and life. Windows 10 Enterprise is our offering that provides IT pros with the most granular control over company devices.

Windows 10 Pro offers a subset of those capabilities and is recommended for small and mid-size businesses looking for some management controls, but not the full suite necessary for IT pros at larger enterprises. The ability to block access to the Windows Store is typically for organizations who want more control over corporate-owned devices. This fits into the value of Windows 10 Enterprise."

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Drashna Jaelre

Small business and medium business don't care about those features.  Really it's MS way of forcing the correct business size to use the correct SKU.  

 

Absolute bullshit. 

 

The entire Windows Store comment is out of line, and wrong.  Microsoft knows it, too. Especially if they're paying attention to the internet at all (twitter, reddit, their own forums, etc). 

Additionally, Microsoft removed the ability to control the Windows Store at all via Group Policy in Pro.  This was present in Windows 8.x, but pulled from 10.   Literally invalidating any GPOs already setup.  

 

AppLocker was pulled, as well. It is an invaluable way to lock down the system to help prevent cryptolocker/ransomware software from affecting your systems.  As well as unauthorized apps.  

 

And then there is Device Guard.  This I can understand. It's definitely more enterprise oriented. This plus some of the other security stuff is more "enterprise-y" and would be more than enough to differentiate the SKUs. 

 

 

 

Believe what you will.  There are PLENTY of SMBs that don't want Enterprise (because it's waaay too expensive, especially with the recently pricing announced...), and that want/need these features.  

 

"forced upgrade" is apparently a theme under the recent Microsoft.  Forcing you to upgrade to Windows 10 "at gunpoint", and forcing you to upgrade to Enterprise, again ... at gun point (in this case, the gun is malware and security).

 

Remove features from Pro that are invaluable, so you HAVE to sign up for SA, or enter into a volume license agreement with Microsoft.  .....

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Big Worm

Absolute bullshit. 

 

The entire Windows Store comment is out of line, and wrong.  Microsoft knows it, too. Especially if they're paying attention to the internet at all (twitter, reddit, their own forums, etc). 

Additionally, Microsoft removed the ability to control the Windows Store at all via Group Policy in Pro.  This was present in Windows 8.x, but pulled from 10.   Literally invalidating any GPOs already setup.  

 

AppLocker was pulled, as well. It is an invaluable way to lock down the system to help prevent cryptolocker/ransomware software from affecting your systems.  As well as unauthorized apps.  

 

And then there is Device Guard.  This I can understand. It's definitely more enterprise oriented. This plus some of the other security stuff is more "enterprise-y" and would be more than enough to differentiate the SKUs. 

 

 

 

Believe what you will.  There are PLENTY of SMBs that don't want Enterprise (because it's waaay too expensive, especially with the recently pricing announced...), and that want/need these features.  

 

"forced upgrade" is apparently a theme under the recent Microsoft.  Forcing you to upgrade to Windows 10 "at gunpoint", and forcing you to upgrade to Enterprise, again ... at gun point (in this case, the gun is malware and security).

 

Remove features from Pro that are invaluable, so you HAVE to sign up for SA, or enter into a volume license agreement with Microsoft.  .....

Honestly I am not surprised.  While MS has given things throughout the years at the end of the day they are a corporation that needs to make money.  Throughout the years MS has made many things more and more expensive for businesses.  Whether it is server software to tools needed to do software development.  At the end of the day they want to force out of the Pro license and in to the Enterprise.  Give it a few more years and Pro maybe completely gone.

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Drashna Jaelre

Honestly I am not surprised.  While MS has given things throughout the years at the end of the day they are a corporation that needs to make money.  Throughout the years MS has made many things more and more expensive for businesses.  Whether it is server software to tools needed to do software development.  At the end of the day they want to force out of the Pro license and in to the Enterprise.  Give it a few more years and Pro maybe completely gone.

 

Neither am I, and that's part of the problem. 

 

 

And have you seen the new licensing scheme for Server 2016?  It's not longer Processor/socket based, but by the # of cores......

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Poppapete

Another thing that's gone is NIC Teaming.  Was available in 8 and some builds of 10 but not in Anniversary and probably not even in Enterprise.

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awraynor

They've got you by the b***s as was basically said on What The Tech recently. Where else you going to go?

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