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As LUMA's wireless mesh devices start to roll out, I imagine this topic will come up more than once so permit me to relate my experiences getting LUMA to play nicely in the sandbox with Sonos.  Because there is so little literature on the topic at this point, my experience (and ultimate success) was mostly the product of trial and error.  My setup is the ubiquitous antiquated MI424WR Verizon Actiontec cable modem/router.  I have the following paired Sonos components:  2 sets of paired Play 1s, 1 set of paired Play 5s (1st edition), and 2 Sonos Connects.  With the new wireless network, I had previously removed the Ethernet cable from my Play 5 located closest to the router.  Once I installed all 3 LUMAs from my newly arrived 3-pack, and without any adjustments to my Verizon router settings, my Sonos app could no longer find the Sonos network.  I tinkered with a variety of solutions, getting one pair of Play 1's to be recognized when my phone was in close proximity to them.  However, as soon as I walked about 30 feet away, the phone app. could once again no longer find the Sonos network.

 

Well to make a long story short, with several solutions proving to be dead ends, I decided to plug an ethernet cable from the back of one of my Play 5 stereo pairs (the one that had formerly been plugged into the Actiontec router before Sonos went completely wireless) into the OUT port on the back of the LUMA,  The In port of that device was plugged into my Actiontec router. All my Sonos components magically appeared.  Moreover, I was able to travel throughout the house and even into my backyard without losing the connection to the Sonos components. I note that I did this first without disabling the wireless on the Actiontec router.  That's the curious thing about LUMA - although you can run it as your only wireless, it appears you don't have to. Effectively, this means you can have some components on your 192.168.1.XX Actiontec DNS range, and others on the LUMA 192.168.55.XX range.  

 

But my next test was to see if it would still work when I turned off the wireless on the Actiontec router. (I note that keeping the Actiontec wireless enabled effectively circumvented LUMA's ability to cut off internet service; devices would just reroute to the Actiontec router.)  So I wanted to see if I could maintain my Sonos connection after disabling the wireless on the router.  With the Play 5 now plugged into the LUMA and the LUMA, in turn, plugged into an open LAN port in the back of my router, I was pleased to see that the Sonos app continued to work even after the Actiontec wireless was set to off.  

 

In sum, the simple, if not intuitive, solution turned out to be the best.  No resetting the controllers or fooling around with the DNS server ended up being necessary.  Just a spare ethernet cord was all it took. 

 

Incidentally, while I am not blown away by the speed of the LUMA (which never seems to change according to the app and seems to be about double what my Speedtest app says it is), I am impressed by its range.  I have a 4000 square foot house with very poor wifi range using the Actiontec router.  With the 3 LUMAs strategically placed on the left, center and right sides of the houses, I was able to get excellent coverage throughout the house and a good 50 feet into the backyard.  That alone has made the purchase worthwhile.  

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

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As LUMA's wireless mesh devices start to roll out, I imagine this topic will come up more than once so permit me to relate my experiences getting LUMA to play nicely in the sandbox with Sonos.  Because there is so little literature on the topic at this point, my experience (and ultimate success) was mostly the product of trial and error.  My setup is the ubiquitous antiquated MI424WR Verizon Actiontec cable modem/router.  I have the following paired Sonos components:  2 sets of paired Play 1s, 1 set of paired Play 5s (1st edition), and 2 Sonos Connects.  With the new wireless network, I had previously removed the Ethernet cable from my Play 5 located closest to the router.  Once I installed all 3 LUMAs from my newly arrived 3-pack, and without any adjustments to my Verizon router settings, my Sonos app could no longer find the Sonos network.  I tinkered with a variety of solutions, getting one pair of Play 1's to be recognized when my phone was in close proximity to them.  However, as soon as I walked about 30 feet away, the phone app. could once again no longer find the Sonos network.

 

Well to make a long story short, with several solutions proving to be dead ends, I decided to plug an ethernet cable from the back of one of my Play 5 stereo pairs (the one that had formerly been plugged into the Actiontec router before Sonos went completely wireless) into the OUT port on the back of the LUMA,  The In port of that device was plugged into my Actiontec router. All my Sonos components magically appeared.  Moreover, I was able to travel throughout the house and even into my backyard without losing the connection to the Sonos components. I note that I did this first without disabling the wireless on the Actiontec router.  That's the curious thing about LUMA - although you can run it as your only wireless, it appears you don't have to. Effectively, this means you can have some components on your 192.168.1.XX Actiontec DNS range, and others on the LUMA 192.168.55.XX range.  

 

But my next test was to see if it would still work when I turned off the wireless on the Actiontec router. (I note that keeping the Actiontec wireless enabled effectively circumvented LUMA's ability to cut off internet service; devices would just reroute to the Actiontec router.)  So I wanted to see if I could maintain my Sonos connection after disabling the wireless on the router.  With the Play 5 now plugged into the LUMA and the LUMA, in turn, plugged into an open LAN port in the back of my router, I was pleased to see that the Sonos app continued to work even after the Actiontec wireless was set to off.  

 

In sum, the simple, if not intuitive, solution turned out to be the best.  No resetting the controllers or fooling around with the DNS server ended up being necessary.  Just a spare ethernet cord was all it took. 

 

Incidentally, while I am not blown away by the speed of the LUMA (which never seems to change according to the app and seems to be about double what my Speedtest app says it is), I am impressed by its range.  I have a 4000 square foot house with very poor wifi range using the Actiontec router.  With the 3 LUMAs strategically placed on the left, center and right sides of the houses, I was able to get excellent coverage throughout the house and a good 50 feet into the backyard.  That alone has made the purchase worthwhile.  

 

Hope this helps.

Welcome to the forums!

 

Thanks for taking the time to share, I am sure this info will help someone down the road.

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Thanks for the write-up!   I also have an extensive Sonos network, and have been concerned about the ability to play nice.  While I'm still leaning towards cancelling my order, I am looking for some real reviews and comparisons of speed and range against some of the better standalone routers out there.

 

So in your case you have to put one of your Play 5's next to the Luma?   What if you remove the cable, does it not work?    I do have a Sonos Bridge, so I'm assuming as long as that is plugged into the Luma it would serve the same purpose.

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I think I know what went wrong with your Sonos setup.  I can hopefully explain this using snippets from your original post.

 

As LUMA's wireless mesh devices start to roll out, I imagine this topic will come up more than once so permit me to relate my experiences getting LUMA to play nicely in the sandbox with Sonos.  Because there is so little literature on the topic at this point, my experience (and ultimate success) was mostly the product of trial and error.  My setup is the ubiquitous antiquated MI424WR Verizon Actiontec cable modem/router.  I have the following paired Sonos components:  2 sets of paired Play 1s, 1 set of paired Play 5s (1st edition), and 2 Sonos Connects.  With the new wireless network, I had previously removed the Ethernet cable from my Play 5 located closest to the router.  Once I installed all 3 LUMAs from my newly arrived 3-pack, and without any adjustments to my Verizon router settings, my Sonos app could no longer find the Sonos network.  I tinkered with a variety of solutions, getting one pair of Play 1's to be recognized when my phone was in close proximity to them.  However, as soon as I walked about 30 feet away, the phone app. could once again no longer find the Sonos network.

My guess is your Sonos system is running in BOOST mode.  This appears to require one Sonos device is hardwired to your network (which is what you originally had setup with the Actiontec).  As soon as you removed the ethernet cable your Sonos system was isolated.

 

I can't explain why you were able to connect to one pair of Play 1's when you were within 30 ft except they may have some built in intelligence with the APP.  This may be a fallback to allow you to get into the system and reconfigure the setup (say to switch from BOOST to Standard setup).

 

 

Well to make a long story short, with several solutions proving to be dead ends, I decided to plug an ethernet cable from the back of one of my Play 5 stereo pairs (the one that had formerly been plugged into the Actiontec router before Sonos went completely wireless) into the OUT port on the back of the LUMA,  The In port of that device was plugged into my Actiontec router. All my Sonos components magically appeared.  Moreover, I was able to travel throughout the house and even into my backyard without losing the connection to the Sonos components. I note that I did this first without disabling the wireless on the Actiontec router.  That's the curious thing about LUMA - although you can run it as your only wireless, it appears you don't have to. Effectively, this means you can have some components on your 192.168.1.XX Actiontec DNS range, and others on the LUMA 192.168.55.XX range.  

As soon as you plugged the Play 5 into the Luma with the ethernet cable you re-established the connection between the Sonos system and the Luma network.  It did not matter that the ActionTec router was still transmitting it's own wireless network since the Sonos system was now connected to the Luma network.

 

In regards to the comment about the Luma and Actiontec being on different subnets and having some components on one subnet while others are on the other subnet.  I am pretty sure that it won't work that way.  I don't have a Sonos systems but I am willing to bet as soon as you plugged that ethernet cable into the Luma router the Sonos system reconfigured all the remote devices onto the same subnet.  If you wanted to be sure you can look at the devices listed as connected to the Actiontec subnet and also to the Luma subnet and I think you will find all the devices were on the Luma network.

 

 

But my next test was to see if it would still work when I turned off the wireless on the Actiontec router. (I note that keeping the Actiontec wireless enabled effectively circumvented LUMA's ability to cut off internet service; devices would just reroute to the Actiontec router.)  So I wanted to see if I could maintain my Sonos connection after disabling the wireless on the router.  With the Play 5 now plugged into the LUMA and the LUMA, in turn, plugged into an open LAN port in the back of my router, I was pleased to see that the Sonos app continued to work even after the Actiontec wireless was set to off.  

That worked because of my explanation above.  The Sonos system configured itself to use the Luma network and not the ActionTec.

BTW, if you don't want to turn off the ActionTec wireless radio and you don't want anyone connecting to it, just change the password.  Anyone who previously was using it will now need a new password to get back on it.

 

 

In sum, the simple, if not intuitive, solution turned out to be the best.  No resetting the controllers or fooling around with the DNS server ended up being necessary.  Just a spare ethernet cord was all it took. 

 

Incidentally, while I am not blown away by the speed of the LUMA (which never seems to change according to the app and seems to be about double what my Speedtest app says it is), I am impressed by its range.  I have a 4000 square foot house with very poor wifi range using the Actiontec router.  With the 3 LUMAs strategically placed on the left, center and right sides of the houses, I was able to get excellent coverage throughout the house and a good 50 feet into the backyard.  That alone has made the purchase worthwhile.  

 

Hope this helps.

The solution worked because it was how you had your Sonos configured.  It needed the ethernet cable to have access to the Luma network (just like it needed the ethernet cable to have access to the ActionTec network).

 

4000 sq ft house is a lot to cover with one router so the Luma mesh network sounds like a good solution for you to improve the coverage.

 

Thanks for posting here in the forums.  If I have any of my assumptions wrong please let me know.  If someone else stumbles across this thread I want to be sure that they can find the answers they are seeking.

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Although not required I still have a Sonos Bridge which works very well to bridge my WiFi and Sonos networks. Your WiFi devices need to have a path to get to the Sonos system/network. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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I just went through the Sonosnet part.  If your Sonos has a hardwired connection to your router it is supposed to use Sonosnet - Sonos wireless mesh network on a channel that you can assign it through advanced settings.  If the connection is wireless to the router it is supposed to go through your wifi network and not create its own mesh network.  This was an update early last year I believe.  If you happen to cable into one somewhere down the line to use as say an access point I've read it can get confused, consume bandwidth while trying to do both mesh and wifi.  

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I will add it appears once the Sonos changes to wifi instead of Sonosnet it's a bugger to get it to go back to Sonosnet.  I had to literally reset all my Sonos units to get them to stick to the Sonosnet network and not sneak over to wifi when they wanted.  

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  • 2 months later...

Brilliant! I hooked up my downstairs first gen Play:5 to a Luma with an ethernet cord, and my problem was solved. Thanks for saving my relationship with Luma. 

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Correction - It stopped working again. I finally bit the bullet and called Luma. We created a static IP address for my sonos bridge, which did the trick. It seems to work wirelessly with no need for ethernet cord. For now. I'll update if it stops working. 

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