no-control

A publicly-signed certificate where the CN (common Name) is an IP address not a FQDN (fully-qualified domain name), but that won't magically make the browser compare the CN with the IP address, instead of with the requested hostname. So you need to generate a new certificate from either the domain host (with the correct pub IP) or use your own CA, if you have one.

 

Assuming this is for 2012e go to the dashboard and click the link to configure anywhere access. This should relaunch the wizard.

So I'm planning on building a home server, possibly as early as next weekend, using Windows Home Server 2011.

I have the following draft parts list:

CPU - Intel Pentium G2020 or AMD A4-5300

Motherboard - Asrock B75M-R2 or Asrock FM2A75M-DGS

RAM - 4GB kit 1333 G.Skill-NT

PSU - Corsair VS350

Case - CM Silencio

Boot - Seagate 500GB

Storage - 2x WD Green 1TB

OS - Windows Home Server 2011

 

What I really want to know is;

1. Would I be better off with an AMD or Intel platform? I have heard that the AMD APU would be better for this kind

of thing, plus it is cheaper and the motherboard seems to suit my needs a bit better.

2. Will this perform well enough for use as a back up for the pcs on the network, as well as central storage for

media, streaming to multiple devices on the network and a bit of downloading?

3. Are WD Greens a good choice? I have heard a lot about "head parking" though I dont completely understand it, is

this something that will affect me since it probably won't be on 24/7?

4. I plan on running RAID 1 at the start since I'm cheaping out and don't want to buy a third drive to

run RAID 5, though I will be adding drives later on, question is, is the power supply too low end to run

a few more drives?

5. Are there any critical mistakes I have made in this that haven't been taken care of?

Any help or input would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
DirtyFish

 

1. Whoever said that needs to sit down and be quiet. Intel would be a better choice for this. the APU's GPU is useless for a server. the G2020 is a better choice.
2. Yes, based on the info you provided.
3. Greens are a great choice and a good value. For your use they are fine.
4. I'm not sure where you're finding the Corsair VS350, but considering the CX430 is only $40 its up to you. For 4-5 drives the VS350 can certainly handle it.
5. No not really everything is pretty good. I would still stress going intel for this over the AMD setup. If money is an issue the G1610 and an H77 board might be a way to save a few dollars without really sacrificing much. Hopefully you already own the case otherwise there a better cases for the money that do a great job keeping it all cool n quiet. Fractal Define R4 or Corsair 550D are both excellent quiet cases.

I would go with blacks if I was spending your money.

 

 

But seriously, stay away from greens unless you like replacing hard drives. I have no experience directly with them as I don't care for WD but based on posts here, the greens fail often, but so have the reds. I don't use either.

 

Wow....just wow

so are the instructions still valid for connecting the client without joining domain? I know so many people say "what do you have against joining the domain??" blah blah

...but, I'm like a bunch of others who upgraded to 2012Essentials and want that WHS feel......I'm not really interested in joining the domain, OR having the server do DHCP and DNS...is that

still do-able??

which would be the most current instructions for connecting without domain join?

 

Thanks in advance for the advice!

 

Yes but then you would have to do it the hard way...joining the domain is the easy way.

 

BTW if you want that "whs2011" feel they still make it and support it.

Multiple outputs on a single GPU. Displayport v1.2 can do 4k over a single cable/port. My point was there are GPUs that can handle that resolution already. All it would take is for new drivers to be written. Refer to the somewhat dated but still accurate GPU shows BYOB did that explained GPU architecture and how/why it splits the outputs.

Just going to go out on a limb here....

 

Have you considered dumping the macs and buying proper PC equipment?

You should probably just follow whatever Terry's recommending then. Personally, I think Terry's approach is idiotic and overly complicated way to setup a simple server. I can't be anymore blunt about it. That said, I wouldn't bet my money on anything you've suggested. If I was building a media server I would use an i3-3220/8GB RAM on a dedicated WHS2011 install. It can do all 4 items on your list of must haves.

Sorry I'm not trying to bash you, just being brutally honest.
I'll let someone else chime in and contribute their thoughts on this, maybe they'll see it differently.

Sorry I misunderstood I thought you were building either a WHS or VM dedicated server. I'm highly against using type II hypervisors for production servers, but good luck with that. Everyone in this thread has told you #1 was the way to go, but it seems you're still convinced #2 is viable option.

Stock temps from either of those CPUs is negligible even with stock cooling. If money is an issue I would look towards an i3 which can handle it 1080 BD streams. Saturating 1Gb network shouldn't happen, CPUs regardless of model and brand, when (trans)encoding will run @ 100% across all threads. How fast it does it will depend on clock speed. How much quicksync impacts this? IDK  Add the fact that there isn't any GPU offloading really doesn't help either.

I will say if you're worried about the transcoding load, don't you're adding a lot of complexity by trying to run VMs under it. BTW VMs are RAM hungry. The performance is going to suffer regardless with this setup.

core is preferred in multiserver installations for the following:

• Security patching is much faster and require fewer of them
• general security benefit from a centralized management point
• memory overhead from the OS is reduced
• licensing benefits
• CLI is Boss

1) I thought it was safe to assume anyone talking about upgrading from Home Server 2011 to Server 2012 was looking at Essentials.  (price etc)  This forum here is called "home" server after all
2) Hyper-V might be fun, but don't have a solid need for it yet.  I'm tinkering with Mac OS X Mountain Lion on VMware (so I can get iMessage etc)
3) Good to know, because forcing the demotion of Essentials to workgroup failed for me as well (had to at least try it before I blew it all away)
4) I guess I was happy on 2011, but the inner geek in me says I "must" have the latest come hell or high water.  I know it's silly but yeah I want to help beta test the new StableBit drive pool for Alex.
5) I'm not running a stock exchange at home, I just want a solid server for videos/music/pictures/documents that is all duplicated via DrivePool (since I don't trust storage spaces)  Some shares need to be open,read only for roommates/guests. (and visible on the network, which I couldn't accomplish on 2012e)
6) Again, I'm one of those silly geeks that if I can be done, it should be done and what ever the latest is will be used period. (to a point)
7)That's exactly where I'm at today, I have Windows 8 up and running just how I want it so far.  Manual permissions was easy, and DrivePool is working perfect on 6 USB 3.0 drives.

• Some more experience with this site you would find that this isn't just "home" and home is subjective. I run 2012 proper with Hyper-V and 30 VMs as my "home" server. Not to mention your first post talks about hyper-v naturally leading everyone to assume not essentials.
• This was an answer referring to your 1st post, review it and see why I have it there.
• moot point
• I can't fault trial by testing, but with some research you would have concluded what you were trying to do isn't recommended. Saved time in the process.
• Not a valid reason, just because you couldn't figure it out doesn't mean it doesn't work. What you're looking can be achieved with 2012e, you just lack the skill set to get it done. Not a dig just a point. I find your lack of faith in SS, and total commitment to drivepool hilarious. SS is extremely stable in testing. It's issues are related to performance, not stability.
• We're all one of those silly geeks, but there is a difference between testing and production. Planning and research of which tools are appropriate, is 90% of it. The rest is implementation and execution of those tools. You were/are doing it backwards forcing a tool to do a different job. While a flathead screwdriver may be used as a prybar, chisel, punch, and gasket scraper. It's really not designed for that, its designed to drive screws.
• WTF?!? 6 USB drives?

The other point most folks do not consider it technology innovations particularly with HDD capacities. For the most part HDD space doubles ever 18 months or so (following Moore's law) And retail pricing adjustment is normally about 6 months after that. So if a 2TB mirror is adequate for now. Moving to a 3TB mirror isn't much of  a stretch. With 4TB drives now coming to market and 5-6TB drives being developed you have a really solid roadmap for "expansion" by simply adding a new mirror, offloading data to the new mirror and selling the old drives to recover the upgrade. Again unless you have explosive capacity issues and need 6+ TB of storage NOW. The allure of just being able to slap in more drives is tempting especially if you are a hardware packrat (you know who you are!!!) and have a lot of .5-1TB drives laying around and want to see what this home server thing is all about, then DE is an option. In no way should it be a replacement for good planning and research into what YOUR needs are.

I thought we had no option but to install 2012 essentials with the Domain.

This other power user went as far as writing up how to demote your server to workgroup, and said it was a failure
http://www.tinkertry...n-removal/

So again, can you please confirm it's actually ok to demote to WORKGROUP?

• How about you be clear about what you're using? Server 2012 or Server 2012 Essentials.
• There is NO Hyper-V in 2012 Essentials.
• 2012 doesn't require domain, but 2012 Essentials requires that its setup as a domain controller.
• If you are trying to get 2012 Essentials as close to WHS2011, Why not just use 2011?
• A domain can add levels of security and access controls, what you're asking for is the opposite of a domain.
• What are you gaining by using 2012Essentials over WHS2011? or even windows 7 or 8 for that matter?
• If you're not adverse to using Windows 8 as a server why not just do that and configure shares and NTFS permissions accordingly

So convincing me I really would actually want a domain for home use or would like it better is not going to happen unfortunately. Their has to be a way to make 2012 work as a basic home server.

Convincing us to tell you how to break a business operating system for home use, iis not going to happen unfortunately. Their is no way to use 2012 as a "basic home server" WHS2011 is a "basic home server", as is windows 7 or 8. Server 2012 Essentials is a basic business server, Server 2012 is an enterprise class platform. The distinction is important as is listing the exact use case and needs of your network. From there you can get as basic or complicated as you like. From here it looks like you should be using WHS2011 or Windows.

So what is the target market for this OS?  Is it the entire Windows 7 user base?  Laptop users only?  Tablet users only?  New PC's for the home?  I still don't understand who is going to use this outside of a tablet.  Not only does it look like something from the 80's, but for how I use my computer at home (no need to even think about this in a corporate setting), it is less usefull than Windows 7.

Beyond the looks and the usability, more than any previous Windows release, I feel this one was released WAY before it was ready.

We've been down this road before so I wont try to dissuade your opinion. Your set that this isn't for you and that's ok.

I would think the target market is the entire windows user base. If it was anything else it wouldn't be in every product from this point forward. Seems pretty obvious given the roll out and design of win8, Server 2012, Office 2013, 365, Windows phone 8, Skydrive, Xbox dashboard, Outlook.com, etc... Microsoft is aiming ahead of the curve (for once). While you can argue a unified touch interface across all platforms doesn't make sense from a specialization standpoint. You can just as easily argue the opposite from an ease of general use standpoint. The language and design across all devices and programs is now more familiar. Phones and Tablets are fast becoming THE product of choice for consumers. Just look at the market segment growth since iPhone, android and iPad was released. The x86 platform is now so far ahead of the software its actually possible to have fast machines and great battery life and it not be a brick. The popularity of ultrabooks and SFF systems seems to be proving that. Slates are a natural progression and convergence from the convertibles and tablets of the last decade. So aiming toward touch centric future across all products is a bit of a no brainer if you ask me.

Who going to use this OS outside of a tablet? Funny you should ask we're going to discuss this very same topic on the next BYOB Podcast. The only way to take advantage of the new eco system is to dump the baggage of the old. I've used it on a desktop and while my particular setup doesn't provide the best experience, it was definitely on par and in some cases better than 7. This is with the CP, which means a lot of bugs, no real apps, essential beta. Give this a year to mature and its clearly superior to 7. The desktop still works same a 7 (better actually). The start screen is more informative and productive. I have the ability to have app parity across hardware via WinRT. Now for what YOU do this may not be beneficial. For corporate, well they said the same thing about iPads and those are permeating corp IT fairly well. I can see a ton of useful ways Win8 can be implemented, especially once the consumer base is up to speed with the new OS. I already find the new start screen useful in Server 2012 and kind of miss it when I move down to 2008. Is it ready for mass corp adoption, no. Can I see it in business in the next 3 years, yes.

While you don't like the Metro design, probably half your problem, as it is a barrier. Given a bit of time to mature and customize it more may break down that issue. But the look is different and a legitimate concern for those looking to switch.  I had no issue with it until I had to use it on my primary workstation with a ridiculous array of large monitors. If I had more control over the colors and behavior it would have been an easier transition.

Alright my take on this. Especially since I just rebuilt my gaming rig.

Case
While this is mostly a totally subjective and personal taste thing. Why a full tower? It's a game rig not a server/workstation. Unless you plan on cramming a couple of custom Water loops in there or just need something to replace the end table, go with a mid tower. I'm not a big fan of chunky plastic cases. So I realize these are my personal faves in your budget range. Corsair 55D(i just bought one), C70 is tough guy cool, or the 500r stormtrooper?. Fractal Design Arc Midi is a great case. LIANLI a long time favorite the PC-9F, the A55B is a bit more compact and of course my V1000 which is still up for grabs.

Motherboard
While I can understand the cool drool factor of the sabertooth. But the pricing is absurd. I would lean more towards boards that have that meet the basic requirements.you need. If you want to go with Asus the MVG is a better board for the money The on board sound also eliminates the need for the sound card. The Gigabyte boards worth a crap are the UD5H and the G1.Sniper M. I personally just bought the ASRock Extreme4 I love it and it was cheap!

CPU

I sort of agree go IB just because you don't already have a SB. Where deviate is I would say the 3570K. Unless he's doing something regulalrly that needs the HT I don't see the $100+ advantage, do you?. I would normally point out that an i3 is all that is needed for all but a few games. But I'll assume he'll use the true quad for something. plus it nice to have and the i3 IB aren't out yet.

Cooling
H100 is overkill for such low TDP chips. I cool my overclocked 3570K with an H60 in SoCal summer temps easily. Get an H60. Just trying to reallocate cash for what I'm about to suggest further down.

RAM
No real comment here other than I prefer the Ares series. Oh and get 16GB its cheap and useful. If you prefer the same speed as the snipers

SSD / HDD
Not sure what all the crying is about with the M4. I have a pair of 256GB and they are plenty fast. It's a gaming rig how much writing are you realistically doing? For Doc to nuke 3 of them he's clearly doing something wrong. IMO Either way, here's where I drive the bus off the bridge for most folks. Put in a 512GB M4 seriously. If the scare tactics work....the absolute best of the best 256GB Sammy 830.
For HDD storage Either WD5000HHTZ for speed or the WD Black you already have for capacity. With all the $$$ saved off the other overkill parts, you can afford a less embarrassing SSD than a 64GB. With the added benefit of being able to not have to mess with data management. Programs = SSD (including games) HDD = Media only (music, video, etc)

PSU
1000w? Pick any decent 500-600w PSU and you're fine. Might I suggest the Corsair CX500 or if you want modular cables the cooler master SP M600

GPU
If you are looking to run a 1080 panel at high settings you would do better to go with AMD. While nVidia is impressive on the top end. They offer nothing worth buying below that. I love MSI GPU's so the MSI R7950 is my first pick the XFX Dbl D is a close second due to the awesome warranty. The Gigabyte would be my bronze medal.

Sound
if you're not using headphones, stick with onboard for now....


positional effects are all done in software now a days. the sound card wont make a difference. where sound cards help is in
1) analog output stage
2) virtualized surround for headphones
3) headphone amps.

if you decide to not use headphones you'll be better off with a receiver and a passive 2.1/5.1 set. LPCM negates the need for analog multichannel. If you go receiver you want HDMI out of your GPU.

But given that the benchmark in gaming sound is still the XF-i Titanium HD but the Xonar DX is quite popular as well.


Other thoughts
skip the crap monitors. Just go get an ultrasharp off dell outlet. Or consider one of the korean 27" panels (that would likely require that GTX670)
Spend a few bucks on a decent headset for gaming, especially if you are going to use a sound card. i recommend the corsair 1500
If you want to take advantage of the microcenter combo deals. Like the infamous $180 3570k + $50 off any motherboard. LMK

Its a gaming rig it should be like a sports car. Just what you need and nothing else. And whatever you need should be fast. Oh and don't forget fun!

competition isn't really going to impact it as much as demand. Demand has been suppressed for quite some time and there isn't a reason to over produce lower capacity drives (<1TB) in any number. Which will keep the high capacity drive prices inflated a bit. I think $99 is the new 2TB from here on out. Until 4TB and 3TB become the new norm, if at all, expect 2-3TB to be more than pre-flood. Who was competition for the big 2 pre-flood? Certainly not Hitachi, maybe Samsung, but barely. The production/sales numbers for both were fractional, and their margins just as slim. There was a reason they were sold off.