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#61 ikon

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:28 AM

You can always check Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT_Disk ;)


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:08 PM

AFAIK, there isn't a way to have WHS2011 use the whole drive. 

Sure you can.

Just create a cfg.ini file at the root of the install media with the following contents at a minimum:

[WinPE]
ConfigDisk=1
WindowsPartitionSize=MAX

More info:

http://technet.micro...-install-2.aspx

http://forum.wegotse...ni-answer-file/

 

If you're trying to extend the C: partition after the OS is installed, just pop the system drive in another machine and use disk-management to delete any D: partition and extend C: to use the rest.  I don't think you can extend the C: partition of the system disk while the OS is running.  You need to use a 2nd system to do it safely.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:25 PM

Thanks. That's great info.


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#64 Krueger86

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:08 PM

Sure you can.

Just create a cfg.ini file at the root of the install media with the following contents at a minimum:

 

[WinPE]
ConfigDisk=1
WindowsPartitionSize=MAX

More info:

http://technet.micro...-install-2.aspx

http://forum.wegotse...ni-answer-file/

 

If you're trying to extend the C: partition after the OS is installed, just pop the system drive in another machine and use disk-management to delete any D: partition and extend C: to use the rest.  I don't think you can extend the C: partition of the system disk while the OS is running.  You need to use a 2nd system to do it safely.

 

I am definitely going to try that on reinstall.  I would guess one would want to move the default shared folders to another disk before they extend the partition?



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

I would think so if extending the partition on another computer. My question is what happens with the default folders if there's only 1 drive in the system and the config.ini file is set to use all of the drive for C:.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:36 PM

Wouldn't here be some sort of pointer from the old D drive to where the new Server Folder location is?  The other question is, why the heck would you  put the server OS on a 3TB drive?


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:44 PM

Well, I was wondering if the installer resorts to putting the default shared folders on C: if there's no D: available; or does it get confused and fall over dead :) 

 

I certainly would never put the OS on a 3TB drive, but I might be tempted to use the MAX setting in a config.ini for a 120GB or 250GB drive -- it would leave plenty of room for apps, even Exchange, SharePoint, and SQL Server.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:34 PM

In my posting Installing Windows Home Server 2011 on a SSD in a HP MicroServer N40L I noted that MAX works in

 

[WinPE]
ConfigDisk=1
CheckReqs=0
WindowsPartitionSize=MAX

 

as long as:

 

NOTE: If the SSD is bigger than 104GB you will have to change “WindowsPartitionSize=” from “MAX” to a number less than 104132 – “MAX” will not work if your SSD is bigger than 104GB!

 

So, your HDD or SSD has to be less than 104GB for MAX to work otherwise you'll need to set "WindowsPartitionSize=" to a number less than 104132 -- else your response file will not work.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

Thanks JM. Do you have any idea what happens to the default shared folders if, for example, WindowsPartitionSize=MAX is used with a 100GB drive and there is no 2nd drive in the system during installation?


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:14 PM

Wouldn't here be some sort of pointer from the old D drive to where the new Server Folder location is?  The other question is, why the heck would you  put the server OS on a 3TB drive?

 

Not putting the server OS on a 3TB drive.  Putting it on a 240GB SSD drive and don't see the need to have a small partition drive D: on it.


Edited by Krueger86, 15 May 2013 - 06:14 PM.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:45 PM

How small?  The install will take what it needs for the OS and give up the rest to the D partition.  In this case, I think it would be 160/80


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:11 PM

In my posting Installing Windows Home Server 2011 on a SSD in a HP MicroServer N40L I noted that MAX works in

 

[WinPE]
ConfigDisk=1
CheckReqs=0
WindowsPartitionSize=MAX

 

as long as:

 

NOTE: If the SSD is bigger than 104GB you will have to change “WindowsPartitionSize=” from “MAX” to a number less than 104132 – “MAX” will not work if your SSD is bigger than 104GB!

 

So, your HDD or SSD has to be less than 104GB for MAX to work otherwise you'll need to set "WindowsPartitionSize=" to a number less than 104132 -- else your response file will not work.

@Joe, I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I had a completely different experience when I installed 2011 on my EX490.  I didn't use an SSD, but I used an old 160GB Seagate to test on and the installer used the entire 160GB drive.

Quoted from this M$ page: http://technet.micro...-install-2.aspx

 

WindowsPartitionSize

(Optional) Specifies the size in GB of the system partition. The size must be in the range of 20480 MB to 102400 MB. A value of MAX can be specified. If not specified, a value of 61440 MB is used. If the specified value is MAX, the Windows partition uses the entire disk.
 
It doesn't mention a limit on the 'max' setting, only that it will use the entire drive.
Also, when you're setting up 2011, it's best to make sure that all the partitions on the target drive are deleted (not formatted).
 
*Edit
I just verified the partition map on the 160GB 2011 drive and it has a 100MB hidden system drive and a 148.95GB C: (system) drive.
 
*Edit 2
Here's the contents of the cfg.ini file that I used (unique info sanitized):
[WinPE]
InstallSKU=SERVERHOMEPREMIUM
ConfigDisk=1
CheckReqs=0
WindowsPartitionSize=MAX
 
[InitialConfiguration]
AcceptEula=true
ServerName=SomeServerName
PlainTextPassword=ThisPasswordIsWeak
PasswordHint=ThrowMeABoneHere
Settings=All

Edited by Mr_Smartepants, 15 May 2013 - 11:19 PM.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:40 AM

Thanks for the info. I think it's nicer if the entire drive can be used.


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#74 Joe_Miner

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:16 AM

@Joe, I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I had a completely different experience when I installed 2011 on my EX490.  I didn't use an SSD, but I used an old 160GB Seagate to test on and the installer used the entire 160GB drive.

 

-snip-

 

 

@Mr_Smartepants:

 

Now this is interesting! 

 

I can’t explain why we had such different experiences (I’m not saying you’re wrong).  I had studied the Technet articles as well as John Keller’s article at CDW and ran into a brick wall repeatedly when I tried to do an install on a 128GB SSD (Crucial M4) using the response cfg.ini file (copied from Keller’s article):

 

[WinPE]
ConfigDisk=1
CheckReqs=0
WindowsPartitionSize=MAX

 

It was only after I found the discussion and AlexHodges comments (Alex was attempting an install on a 120GB SSD) that I changed the cfg.ini WindowsPartitionSize=61440 and the install then worked – so I tried it again with WindowsPartitionSize=100000 and again it worked (with the M4 128GB SSD) – just for good luck I tried it again with WindowsPartitionSize=MAX and it failed again on the 128GB SSD.  I tried it with WindowsPartitionSize=MAX on a 60GB SSD and it worked.  While I could get it to install on the 128GB drive I just couldn’t get it to install past 100GB and to it’s MAX size so I chose to go with the 60GB instead.  Apparently, YMMV.

 

I would note that my cfg.ini was only intended to get the installer past the point where it checked for a HDD greater than or equal to 160GB – once it was past that point I pulled the flash drive and completed the installation normally with a keyboard and monitor.  I was not attempting a completely headless installation.

 

While I’m glad that you got it to work for you -- I have no idea why you were able to successfully use WindowsPartitionSize=MAX on a 160GB target drive while WindowsPartitionSize=MAX failed when I used it on a 128GB target drive – I was using the installer that came with the Retail/OEM package that I had gotten from Newegg with my 1st MicroServer as part of a bundle – so I wasn’t using the TechNET version but that shouldn’t make any difference IMHO.

 

I’m very glad that you got it to work for you.

 

BTW, Thanks for the link to KesterHouse’s article and the 2nd one on Dsk Mgmt!



 


Edited by Joe_Miner, 16 May 2013 - 11:17 AM.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:30 AM

It is interesting JM, for sure. Hopefully, in the near future, there'll be a definitive explanation for the different experiences. One thing I do wonder about: have you tried using the MAX parameter on any other drive besides the 128GB SSD? Maybe it's related to that specific drive? Or the fact that it's an SSD & not an HDD?


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:34 AM

Those are great articles.....


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:49 AM

And interesting also how the article seems to differ from Mr_Smartepants experience.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:59 PM

Installing on the EX490 is blind, having no graphics output.  I do know that when I tried to install the first time it failed (alternating red/aqua activity light) though after pulling the drive the partitions were set up as I posted earlier.  I then deleted the partitions and tried again, but this time I added a $WinPEDriver$ folder to the root of the USB stick with the install media.  Into that folder I put the drivers for the Intel/Silicon-Image SATA controllers and the Realtek LAN drivers.  Then everything worked perfectly.

$WinPEDriver$ folder info: http://support.micro....com/kb/2686316

 

I do have a spare OCZ Vertex2 120GB SSD to try but the stupid HP drive sleds don't allow 2.5" drives easily.  I'll try to get an adapter to fit in there.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:10 PM

Duck Tape :D


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:45 PM

Did I order wrong SATA card?

 

Ordered and received today.

 

HighPoint Rocket 640L PCI-Express 2.0 x4 Low Profile SATA III (6.0Gb/s) RAID Controller Card

 

http://www.newegg.co...VirtualParent=1

 

And it doesn't fit in slot 2 card slot.

 

Slot 2: PCI-Express Gen 2 x1 connector with x1 Link

Slot 2-2: PCI-Express x4 slot for optional management card

 

If this one will not work... which card can I order that will?



I just want one that will let me use my ICY Dock so not sure if I could use this one?

 

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16816115072


Edited by Krueger86, 16 May 2013 - 05:45 PM.