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#1 jcollison

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:29 AM

So my 15 year old has worked all summer and is putting his very first gaming rig together with his hard earned cash.  I told him I would run it by the BYOB guys for their suggestions.  Here are the major parts list.  Taking suggestions.


COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0, Black Interior and Four Fans-1x 230mm front RED LED, 1x 140mm rear, 1x 230mm top, and 1x 230mm side

ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K

CORSAIR H100 (CWCH100) Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR

Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

GIGABYTE GV-N680OC-2GD GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

HT | OMEGA STRIKER 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card

ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor W/Speakers

SILVERSTONE ST1000-P 1000W ATX 12V v2.3 & EPS 12V 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

Remember, I am a home server guy and not a gamer and this is his first build.  Any and all suggestions are welcome.  We will post the final parts list and pictures of the build here as we build it over the next month.

Thanks for your help.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:56 AM

Get him a Vic 20 - it was good enough for us..... :D :D

Seriously, I don't know if that Asus is, but I would recommend an IPS class monitor.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:30 PM

My two cents. Use an Ivy bridge 3770K since you are getting a Z77 board for just a few bucks more. Consider the H80, much easier to mount and still twice as much as needed for a 37xx. Lastly, stay away from Crucial, I now have 3 that crapped on me. Go for the intel instead.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:16 PM

Get him a Vic 20 - it was good enough for us..... :D :D

Seriously, I don't know if that Asus is, but I would recommend an IPS class monitor.


Got any suggestions ikon with links?

My two cents. Use an Ivy bridge 3770K since you are getting a Z77 board for just a few bucks more. Consider the H80, much easier to mount and still twice as much as needed for a 37xx. Lastly, stay away from Crucial, I now have 3 that crapped on me. Go for the intel instead.

Mike, can you give me an example of a board like this? Link would be helpful.

I am also thinking of a 120GB Mushkin Drive for the SSD. I have 2 and installed another with very little problems. Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MX MKNSSDCR120GB-MX 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:21 PM

Got any suggestions ikon with links?


The Dell UltraSharps are very good IMHO. Just go to the monitors section of their site.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:32 PM

Got any suggestions ikon with links?


Mike, can you give me an example of a board like this? Link would be helpful.

I am also thinking of a 120GB Mushkin Drive for the SSD. I have 2 and installed another with very little problems. Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MX MKNSSDCR120GB-MX 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)


Keep the same board you selected, just change the processor to: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116501

Muskin would perform much better than the Crucial. The M4 has very slow writes, especially the 64G.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

Doc...I see. Sorry about that.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:55 PM

Jim:
The performance of the Crucial M4 64GB for a game machine is dismal IMHO. For a couple of $’s more you could go with a Corsair Force 3 60GB and then with your Intel Rapid Storage Technology on the Z77 you could Cache your main Hard Drive like I was doing Here and Here

Here’s the performance of my 2TB WD2000FAEX with caching from the Corsair using ISRT:

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You may also want to switch out the WD1000FAEX in your specs for a Seagate ST1000DM003 (please note I’m really a WD fan boy!). The ST1000DM003 has the Seagate OptiCache technology that in their 3 TB drives is really simply amazing and blows away the WD Blacks. Disclaimer: I’ve tested the 3TB’s but not the 1TB’s though they claim the same proprietary caching technology.

The naked ST3000DM001’s performance is:

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The HAF 932 is a great tower case that I have my X58 desktop in. It’s steel, it’s heavy, it’s rugged, it looks awesome – perfect for a teenager. :D

I agree with PCDoc about the CPU – with a Z77 gaming rig that you’re going to want to overclock I think the only logical choices were the i5-3570K or the i7-3770K – I’d say the 3570K if you didn’t expect to ever need/want hyper threading and the 3770K otherwise or to just keep more future options open. Disclaimer: I’m not a gamer so a serious gamer may see a greater distinction between the two CPU’s. It may be better to go with the 3570K and spend the savings on more GPU’s or another monitor.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:13 PM

One last comment, the system about does need anywhere near a 1000w supply. You could save a chunk of money going with a 700-800w supply if all you are running is one GPU. I ran the GTX 580 off of a 600 watt supply and it draws more power than the 680 you are planning. If budget is a concern, also consider the 670 over the 680. Running a 23" 1080P monitor is insulting for either of these cards as it does not even come close to taxing it. Either of these can easily power 2-3 of these monitors and still not work up a sweat. The difference in performance does not justify the difference in price IMO.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:34 PM

As for the Graphics, just a thought

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814125371

900 instead of 1072 Mhz core clock
pcie 2.0 but you wouldnt be maxing it out anyway
$140 less

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:27 PM

Some great suggestions so far! Thanks guys. Keep them coming if you have them

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:08 PM

Jim, why are you selecting a PCI sound card for a motherboard with no PCI slots? ;-)
I've had great results with the Asus Xonar boards and they are not expensive.
http://www.newegg.co...ICE&PageSize=20
Or just go with the onboard audio to save money.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:17 AM

Alright my take on this. Especially since I just rebuilt my gaming rig.

Case
While this is mostly a totally subjective and personal taste thing. Why a full tower? It's a game rig not a server/workstation. Unless you plan on cramming a couple of custom Water loops in there or just need something to replace the end table, go with a mid tower. I'm not a big fan of chunky plastic cases. So I realize these are my personal faves in your budget range. Corsair 55D(i just bought one), C70 is tough guy cool, or the 500r stormtrooper?. Fractal Design Arc Midi is a great case. LIANLI a long time favorite the PC-9F, the A55B is a bit more compact and of course my V1000 which is still up for grabs.

Motherboard
While I can understand the cool drool factor of the sabertooth. But the pricing is absurd. I would lean more towards boards that have that meet the basic requirements.you need. If you want to go with Asus the MVG is a better board for the money The on board sound also eliminates the need for the sound card. The Gigabyte boards worth a crap are the UD5H and the G1.Sniper M. I personally just bought the ASRock Extreme4 I love it and it was cheap!

CPU

I sort of agree go IB just because you don't already have a SB. Where deviate is I would say the 3570K. Unless he's doing something regulalrly that needs the HT I don't see the $100+ advantage, do you?. I would normally point out that an i3 is all that is needed for all but a few games. But I'll assume he'll use the true quad for something. plus it nice to have and the i3 IB aren't out yet.

Cooling
H100 is overkill for such low TDP chips. I cool my overclocked 3570K with an H60 in SoCal summer temps easily. Get an H60. Just trying to reallocate cash for what I'm about to suggest further down.

RAM
No real comment here other than I prefer the Ares series. Oh and get 16GB its cheap and useful. If you prefer the same speed as the snipers

SSD / HDD
Not sure what all the crying is about with the M4. I have a pair of 256GB and they are plenty fast. It's a gaming rig how much writing are you realistically doing? For Doc to nuke 3 of them he's clearly doing something wrong. IMO Either way, here's where I drive the bus off the bridge for most folks. Put in a 512GB M4 seriously. If the scare tactics work....the absolute best of the best 256GB Sammy 830.
For HDD storage Either WD5000HHTZ for speed or the WD Black you already have for capacity. With all the $$$ saved off the other overkill parts, you can afford a less embarrassing SSD than a 64GB. With the added benefit of being able to not have to mess with data management. Programs = SSD (including games) HDD = Media only (music, video, etc)

PSU
1000w? Pick any decent 500-600w PSU and you're fine. Might I suggest the Corsair CX500 or if you want modular cables the cooler master SP M600

GPU
If you are looking to run a 1080 panel at high settings you would do better to go with AMD. While nVidia is impressive on the top end. They offer nothing worth buying below that. I love MSI GPU's so the MSI R7950 is my first pick the XFX Dbl D is a close second due to the awesome warranty. The Gigabyte would be my bronze medal.

Sound
if you're not using headphones, stick with onboard for now....


positional effects are all done in software now a days. the sound card wont make a difference. where sound cards help is in
1) analog output stage
2) virtualized surround for headphones
3) headphone amps.

if you decide to not use headphones you'll be better off with a receiver and a passive 2.1/5.1 set. LPCM negates the need for analog multichannel. If you go receiver you want HDMI out of your GPU.

But given that the benchmark in gaming sound is still the XF-i Titanium HD but the Xonar DX is quite popular as well.


Other thoughts
skip the crap monitors. Just go get an ultrasharp off dell outlet. Or consider one of the korean 27" panels (that would likely require that GTX670)
Spend a few bucks on a decent headset for gaming, especially if you are going to use a sound card. i recommend the corsair 1500
If you want to take advantage of the microcenter combo deals. Like the infamous $180 3570k + $50 off any motherboard. LMK

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:45 AM

Martis...thanks for the long write up. EXACTLY what I was hoping for and very helpful. Going to rework the parts list this weekend with Tim (btw, he is reading this as well) and we will post a new parts list soon. If you have more suggestions, please keep posting them. Thanks guys

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:14 PM

(btw, he is reading this as well)


That's it Jim; get 'em indoctrinated into HSS while they're young :)

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:08 PM

Ok...so here is what we have to date. Spent about 2 hours with Tim today talking him through it. He took some suggestions and not others. Here is what we purchased:

Dell Ultra Sharp U2412M 24inch Monitor - http://accessories.u...?sku=320-2676&?

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0, Black Interior and Four Fans-1x ...

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro M600 RS-600-AMBA-D3 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Bronze Certified Modular

Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3A-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Here is what will get purchased next check: (unless we get talked out of it)

GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR

ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K

CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

He also ordered some case fans from Performance-pcs to brighten the case up a bit.

Of course there will be pics to come.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:34 PM

Never doubted you a second Jim re: the pics; that's why I didn't even mention it before now :)

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:47 PM

Nice, this will be a great system. I am impressed...

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