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#21 gibster

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Posted 14 March 2016 - 09:28 AM

Well, I bit the bullet and ordered the drive bay hot swap backplane, and drive caddies for the ML310e tonight. Canceled the order for the bay from the bay from the ML150.

 

Now just have to wait a few weeks for them to show up.


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Posted 14 March 2016 - 04:47 PM

H00GiE, I'm curious --are you sure the system on the left in that picture is an ML310e and not an ML30?

 

I ask for one reason; every ML310e I've seen has black USB 2.0 front ports, while the ML30 has the USB3 colored-blue-like-you'd-expect ones.


H00GiE, I'm curious --are you sure the system on the left in that picture is an ML310e and not an ML30?

 

I ask for one reason; every ML310e I've seen has black USB 2.0 front ports, while the ML30 has the USB3 colored-blue-like-you'd-expect ones.


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Posted 14 March 2016 - 05:27 PM

*deleted* double post and cat on keyboard.


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 09:08 AM

Looks like the unit on the left is a ML30.  Here is the blogpost from which it came from:

 

http://homeserversho...-ml30-gen9.html



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 09:14 AM

I haven't been able to find the drive cage, backplane, sas cable for a reasonable price.  Really contemplating exchanging the ML10 for the ML310e but not quite sure the $300 upgrade is worth it for a few nice to haves.



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 01:55 PM

Looks like the unit on the left is a ML30.  Here is the blogpost from which it came from:

 

http://homeserversho...-ml30-gen9.html

 

You are right! how did i mis that...  hence my remark the cases side by side are super confusing. Here's all 3 side by side, note the ML30 is the one with the 4x blue usb connectors on the front.
The ML310e v2 Gen8 (most right note the 4 non-blue USB connectors.) is one of many editions, specifically this edition has: multi out 350w psu and non-hot-swap drivebay.
(Remove the metal backplate with cable assembly, replace by hotswap backplane and the bay is hot swap.)

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Thanks for clearing this one up, I did not find the photo here, when searching ML310e V2 Gen8 this one came up in google image search. saw the link noticed the url was from the blog portion of the site.


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 03:29 PM

H00GiE, I'm curious --are you sure the system on the left in that picture is an ML310e and not an ML30?

 

I ask for one reason; every ML310e I've seen has black USB 2.0 front ports, while the ML30 has the USB3 colored-blue-like-you'd-expect ones.

I hope the cat is doing alright ;) But above post should have quoted you too, you came up with the blue USB connector thing.
Anyway now i've made the confusion even bigger by putting all 3 side by side... there really is no difference apart from the bays and notably the usb connectors... 
Stil looking for a reasonable priced drive bay + hot swap backplane. And i don't care if it's from a ML30 Gen9 or a ML310e v2 Gen8 both are the same...
I would not be at all surprised if the parts on a ML30 Gen9 say "replacement part ML310e v2 Gen8 <%insert partnumber%>" it does on the heatsink of a ML10 v2.


Edited by H00GiE, 15 March 2016 - 03:32 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 03:53 PM

With the three pictures side-by-side, I'm now reasonably sure that the enclosure is the same.  Which probably means the other parts are too.

 

All three parts (enclosure, backplane, backplate with cables) are available on eBay US for okay prices if you already have an ML10 v2, and you won't have to wait.

 

In my case, I found Provantage out of Ohio had one open-box ML310 Gen8 v2 in the SmartBuy configuration (HP part 724977-S01), at a savings of 45 bucks off their regular (already good) price.  I've ordered that.  I found it to be almost everything I wanted, at half the price of an ML30.  And, open box = free shipping for them. $415 USD.

 

I have to pay a restocking fee on the ML10 v2, but live and learn.  I really want HP Intelligent Provisioning after having it on my Microserver, among other things and I (silly me) didn't realize that the drive cage wasn't at least the caged hot-swap one..  I'll list the ML10 v2 on Craigslist tonight until the weekend at a bargain price, and if I can't sell it locally, it will be RMA-ed (I already have a number).  And I agree, I do love the black, but if I love it that much, I can take the Krylon (spray-can) route. ;)

 

Only thing is, now I can't name my new server DARKHELMET like I was going to (the Microserver is BORGCUBE).


Edited by LoneWolf, 15 March 2016 - 03:57 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 04:08 PM

With the three pictures side-by-side, I'm now reasonably sure that the enclosure is the same.  Which probably means the other parts are too.

 

All three parts (enclosure, backplane, backplate with cables) are available on eBay US for okay prices if you already have an ML10 v2, and you won't have to wait.

 

In my case, I found Provantage out of Ohio had one open-box ML310 Gen8 v2 in the SmartBuy configuration (HP part 724977-S01), at a savings of 45 bucks off their regular (already good) price.  I've ordered that.  I found it to be almost everything I wanted, at half the price of an ML30.  And, open box = free shipping for them. $415 USD.

 

I have to pay a restocking fee on the ML10 v2, but live and learn.  I really want HP Intelligent Provisioning after having it on my Microserver, among other things and I (silly me) didn't realize that the drive cage wasn't at least the caged hot-swap one..  I'll list the ML10 v2 on Craigslist tonight until the weekend at a bargain price, and if I can't sell it locally, it will be RMA-ed (I already have a number).  And I agree, I do love the black, but if I love it that much, I can take the Krylon (spray-can) route. ;)

 

Only thing is, now I can't name my new server DARKHELMET like I was going to (the Microserver is BORGCUBE).

Take a wild(berry) guess what the servername of my ML10 v2 is:
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I did find enough people willing to sell it from the US.
The Issue is with shipping, tho the product prices are reasonable, i'm not willing to pay $40-60(USD) for shipping to europe.


Edited by H00GiE, 15 March 2016 - 04:14 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 05:04 PM

Take a wild(berry) guess what the servername of my ML10 v2 is:
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I did find enough people willing to sell it from the US.
The Issue is with shipping, tho the product prices are reasonable, i'm not willing to pay $40-60(USD) for shipping to europe.

 

 

I just did a amazon search and found this one in Europe with free shipping, and that's a cage and backplane.

 

http://www.amazon.co...8&condition=all

 

Looks like an alright deal to me :)


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 05:27 PM

I just did a amazon search and found this one in Europe with free shipping, and that's a cage and backplane.

 

http://www.amazon.co...8&condition=all

 

Looks like an alright deal to me :)

That HP ID corresponds only to the backplane board, that item does not include the cage. someone else linked that same item before...
I was gutted when i nearly gone through the complete process of ordering and realizing it was only the board...
This is the contents of 
 

(674839-B21) 1 x 686756-001 + 1x SAS Cable
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the US amazon page has the decent product description:
http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/B009SORO5I

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 06:03 PM

because the ML30 Gen9, ML10 v2 and ML310e v2 Gen8 Drive cages weren't confusing enough:
Here's a picture of a ML310e v2 Gen8 with the optional 8x SFF 2.5" sas / sata cage (this option does need a extra smart array controller preferably with 8i SAS ports.)
Needless to say item 686753-001 will fit the ML10v2 and ML30 Gen9 just as well...  
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Posted 15 March 2016 - 07:11 PM

 

That HP ID corresponds only to the backplane board, that item does not include the cage. someone else linked that same item before...
I was gutted when i nearly gone through the complete process of ordering and realizing it was only the board...
This is the contents of 
 

(pic deleted)
 
the US amazon page has the decent product description:
http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/B009SORO5I

 

 

Sorry about that, I think I posted the original link to. Just went by the pic and description on the UK Amazon site.


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Posted 16 March 2016 - 01:19 PM

Well, the amount of money I saved *not* adding a drive cage to an ML10v2 and getting the ML310e -or if you look at it another way, by not buying the ML30, is enough to buy a Xeon E3-1231 v3; once I'm sure it's all good, I can sell the E3-1220 v3. So it's all good.


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Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:03 PM

Well, the amount of money I saved *not* adding a drive cage to an ML10v2 and getting the ML310e -or if you look at it another way, by not buying the ML30, is enough to buy a Xeon E3-1231 v3; once I'm sure it's all good, I can sell the E3-1220 v3. So it's all good.

Ye, like I said on a other forum: If i could have gotten into the ML310e v2 Gen8 sale sooner i would have gone for that one. but now with all that hardware I added to my ML10 v2 it's cheaper to go for the drivebay upgrade than it is to sell the ML10 v2 and replace it with a ML310e v2 G8.
Besides I only paid €170 for my ML10 v2 


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Posted 16 March 2016 - 07:28 PM

Ye, like I said on a other forum: If i could have gotten into the ML310e v2 Gen8 sale sooner i would have gone for that one. but now with all that hardware I added to my ML10 v2 it's cheaper to go for the drivebay upgrade than it is to sell the ML10 v2 and replace it with a ML310e v2 G8.
Besides I only paid €170 for my ML10 v2 

 

Good deal.  I jumped because they were offering a Synology DS216se NAS for free (ML10 v2 server and NAS for $449USD).

 

What other options do you have planned?


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 04:24 AM

Good deal.  I jumped because they were offering a Synology DS216se NAS for free (ML10 v2 server and NAS for $449USD).

 

What other options do you have planned?

Since I have the LSI Megaraid card installed
i'll be upgrading it to have The battery installed and i'll be starting to use Cachecade (2.0)
using SSD as 2nd level Cache, so it'll be 512MB ram cache and 2x 128GB SSD Cache for 2x 2TB WD RED or 2x 2tb SAS equivalent
(I have the microserver with 12tb of storage so main goal for the drive array in the ML10 v2 is speed not size)

I really would like to hit that 800MB/s+ drive speed again... seek times on databases will be decreased to almost zero.
Other than that, fill the ram slots to 32GB. (not that i will be needing that... but it's better to have and not need than to need and not have)

Then i'm done :) 


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 07:12 PM

Well, my ML310 Gen8 v2 came today.

 

To me, the cage looks the same (at least from the flange) as the ML30.  I did not measure depth, but according to everyone who has done research so far, HP has told them quietly the case is the same and only the front fascia differs.

 

Looking at all of it, I think it's extremely likely the ML310 parts will fit.  And H00GiE, yeah, I forgot to say it sucks that the differences in currency exchange rates can totally screw the values and pricing.

 

My plan is to go 32GB (that just arrived), a Xeon E3-1231 v3 (a boost of 300MHz per core, and Hyperthreading) and the SmartArray P222 controller from my Gen8 Microserver.  I'll be migrating my two 250GB SSDs in RAID-0 to the B120i, and my four 3TB WD Reds in RAID-5 along with the P222.  IcyDock ExpressCage for the SSDs.


Edited by LoneWolf, 17 March 2016 - 07:12 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2016 - 08:31 AM

Well, my ML310 Gen8 v2 came today.

 

To me, the cage looks the same (at least from the flange) as the ML30.  I did not measure depth, but according to everyone who has done research so far, HP has told them quietly the case is the same and only the front fascia differs.

 

Looking at all of it, I think it's extremely likely the ML310 parts will fit.  And H00GiE, yeah, I forgot to say it sucks that the differences in currency exchange rates can totally screw the values and pricing.

 

My plan is to go 32GB (that just arrived), a Xeon E3-1231 v3 (a boost of 300MHz per core, and Hyperthreading) and the SmartArray P222 controller from my Gen8 Microserver.  I'll be migrating my two 250GB SSDs in RAID-0 to the B120i, and my four 3TB WD Reds in RAID-5 along with the P222.  IcyDock ExpressCage for the SSDs.

 

If you haven't purchased parts yet, your future setup is almost identical to mine with the exception of the raid controller and i have it in a ML10v2.. but this is what i have setup in mine currently.

 

E3-1231v3

Crucial 32GB:  https://www.amazon.c...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Icy Dock:  http://www.newegg.co...4-147-_-Product



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Posted 18 March 2016 - 08:42 AM

If you haven't purchased parts yet, your future setup is almost identical to mine with the exception of the raid controller and i have it in a ML10v2.. but this is what i have setup in mine currently.

 

E3-1231v3

Crucial 32GB:  https://www.amazon.c...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Icy Dock:  http://www.newegg.co...4-147-_-Product

 

I already purchased parts.  Had I done better research, I'd probably have gone with an IcyDock ToughArmor 4 x 2.5" instead of an ExpressCage, but this will work fine.

 

I went with Kingston's 32GB kit, which with shipping, was $207 from Provantage.

CPU is on its way from Texas via eBay, which is where I'll sell the E3-1220 v3 once this system is built.


Edited by LoneWolf, 18 March 2016 - 08:43 AM.

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